You're basing your theory on a well known conspiracy theory site that has been debunked constantly? For the record, the FISA information requested date back to the George W. Bush administration and disclosure of said material to Congress is routine and handled in a confidential matter.

You appear to be suggesting that a lying republican...well any hue of politician for that matter but a lying politician is some basis for holding overly biased views on Trump......Trump lies probably more than most politicians.

I can't take seriously the view that people should be anti Trump because he or his appointments lie.....All politicians lie....They would have to view all politicians with the same scorn...accepting for understandable political bias.

What I would accept is that media that isn't on the 'right' from an American perspective would be critical on Trump.....What annoys me is the utter childish nature of lots of this criticism and the vapid approaches many of them take....expecting their audience to automatically agree with their agendas.....That said this is only a criticism I hold for public broadcasting institutions like the BBC....what privately funded ones do is their business....though I criticise its poor objectivity I'm a tad more accepting of it.

I just want commentary that's more grown up and adult....In a sense not Trump like.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jan 2018 5.35am)

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Here you go Ken, try reading the quotes. They're what matters, unless you're claiming that they're faked.

Edited by Rubin (19 Jan 2018 10.11pm)

I agree in part and disagree in part. Being a native New Yorker, I've been exposed to more than my fair share of all things Trump. To me, his politics, whatever they are, are secondary to his character, which is abysmal. What they used to say about "Tricky Dick" Nixon applies to Tump, "Would you buy a used car from him?" For me, the answer is a resounding Hell No!

Time and time again he has been exposed as a liar and fraud. His Atlantic City casinos were so poorly run that they are now being demolished and no other state with casino gambling would grant him a license. That's not political, that's business. He tried to trick some of the most prominent real estate moguls in this country, particularly Harry Helmsley, into letting him skate on agreed payments he was supposed to make to them. In the late Mr. Helmsley's case, he successfully sued Trump and gained complete control of the Empire State Building from him. He lost his ownership stake in the Plaza Hotel, a NYC landmark, for very similar reasons. He conned the Scottish government over his golf course near Aberdeen. The jobs he guaranteed never came about. I saw an interview with Alex Salmond and his hatred for Trump is palpable. He originally supported the building of the golf course only to be bitterly disappointed when promises were never kept.

I've taken a wait and see attitude over what is being called the Mueller Investigation. Robert Mueller is, after all, a Republican. He has no reason to attack a Republican Administration without just cause. He has assembled a top notch staff of lawyers and investigators and has not hesitated to remove people who have showed anything less than total objectivity. Besides, American Election Law forbids any involvement by a foreign power in this country's electoral process. There would appear from verified reports that members of the Trump campaign, including at least one of his children, solicited aid from the Putin Government. If these allegations are proven true, the impeachment of Donald Trump becomes a certainty. I admit freely that is a big if.

Finally, the USA is a rather insular nation and always has been. Even after World War II a large segment of our population, in one way or another, opposed further foreign "entanglements," a word used by George Washington in his farewell speech to the nation at the end of his Presidency. Trump appeals to that isolationist thought. He also appeals to the protectionists with all his talk of a "beautiful wall" that Mexico will pay for. (Yeah, right). He also has a virulent case of diarrhoea of the mouth which has been on display quite a bit in the last few days. He has undermined both his party's Congressional leadership and his own Chief of Staff. I really don't think that's the way one wins friends and influences people.

If Trump falls, it will be of his own doing. He will say or do things that no one in this country will be able to tolerate. He has already sown the seeds of his destruction. The question remains, will he see his folly and correct his errors or will he go down as a fiery yet ultimately impotent comet.

Edited by kenbarr (19 Jan 2018 6.09am)

A tad sensitive perhaps?

Debate, leads to greater moderation on all sides, while isolation leads to greater polarization on all sides.