Pretzel logic my friend

The Guardian investigated and printed allegations of MPs expenses corruption long before they were proven....It's a perfectly normal part of investigative journalism.

Different outlets approach topics in different ways. If the Telegraph are wrong that's a matter for lawyers.....Though I very much doubt it will come to that personally.

I do regard this guy as being very dodgy due to his record as presented...You choose to question that and call him 'encouraging' despite these questions coming from multiple (not almost one) organisations.

You question how the Telegraph approaches the matter yet you yourself bring up the old warcry of anti Islamic motives if people look into this guy....Is that not only the Telegraph but the government, the BBC and Channel Four then?.....You can't know that it's anti Islamic at all...You're making an allegation that you can't know is true.......Seems a little hypocritical to me.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It was a joke. You're not a big Steely Dan fan then?

I did say "we", but you're right, I did get a bit carried away by saying no immigrants (although it's clear many UKIP voters do seem to want that.) What they actually want, from what I understand, is the right to choose what immigrants enter britain, and that they want those immigrants to fit within the UKIP model. Also, any immigrant with less than seven years residence could then be subject to being chucked out. To be honest it is quite hard to follow though as one minute they say something inflammatory and the next day they say that isn't the party line, even when it comes from senior members (for example the embarrassing case where Farrage derided the 2010 set of policies despite providing the foreword to it!)
It's a bit like when the BNP tried to rebrand itself (six of them of course famously detracted to UKIP, because they wanted a more liberal racism I presume?)

I still haven't seen a strong argument how UKIP would actually improve things by the way? But my guess is you'll focus on semantics rather than the positives of UKIPs policy (because that would be like trying to win a beauty contest with an armpit fart)

Your argument is similar to Nick's....To paraphrase, some of their members and policies are dodgy......Yup maybe so.....Though all parties have loons within them.

However voting Ukip is the only show in town if you want to voice your displeasure at the EU......Otherwise the main parties ignore you.

I'm annoyed with the EU so Ukip got my vote....Simple as that really.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

that's fair enough, and I know staunch Labour voters who voted Tory after the Iraq War issue as a protest vote. What worries me is that the protest voters appear more and more to be the minority and it's actually shown a mirror to the bigotry that remains in modern britain.

I know lots of people who didn't vote for this election who have stated that UKIPs achievement has motivated them to vote next year to ensure they don't get any real power. So it may be it has the reverse effect. Who knows.

I think as I said, I voted Greens, who overtook the Liberals. And that wasn't a protest vote, but because I like the colour green.