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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 11.13am
A Jewish mate I had a few years back called himself English, sounded English, had all the same customs and knew all the same cultural references....He was similar to me except for his religion. I don't have an issue with anyone's religion (outside of a philosophical debate upon its truth) and nor should anyone else. It's those who wish to isolate themselves and create a culture within a culture that fights the host culture that I don't have time for. Pretzel logic my friend
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Quote serial thriller at 27 May 2014 1.47pm
The Telegraph is portraying it in their distinctively assertive and manipulative way unlike the other media outlets reporting on it though, by refusing to use little words like alleged which can lead to serious repercussions if their opinions are found to be false. I don't really get your caricature of the left and to be honest I don't really want to. We seem to be one big out of touch monster to you but here's the thing: my stance on this is that I'll wait until the investigation is finished before reaching a final judgement. What I object to is people like yourself and the Telegraph who talk as if he's already been found guilty. If that's the way you want to issue out justice, perhaps you should give Shariah Law a go. The Guardian investigated and printed allegations of MPs expenses corruption long before they were proven....It's a perfectly normal part of investigative journalism. Different outlets approach topics in different ways. If the Telegraph are wrong that's a matter for lawyers.....Though I very much doubt it will come to that personally. I do regard this guy as being very dodgy due to his record as presented...You choose to question that and call him 'encouraging' despite these questions coming from multiple (not almost one) organisations. You question how the Telegraph approaches the matter yet you yourself bring up the old warcry of anti Islamic motives if people look into this guy....Is that not only the Telegraph but the government, the BBC and Channel Four then?.....You can't know that it's anti Islamic at all...You're making an allegation that you can't know is true.......Seems a little hypocritical to me.
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Quote Slimey Toad at 27 May 2014 1.57pm
Really, explain.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 2.09pm
Quote Slimey Toad at 27 May 2014 1.57pm
Really, explain. It was a joke. You're not a big Steely Dan fan then?
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Quote Slimey Toad at 27 May 2014 2.13pm
For my sins....They seem to have past me by....I must listen to some stuff....I probably know it by ear but haven't connected it to them.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 1.08pm
Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 12.37pm
Without knowing the whole story, it would appear he unlawfully bought his way into power then acted in a manner that no major party would allow. He may have picked Labour for the reasons you described, or it may just be they were the most likely party to win votes in his area. Either way, he clearly isn't a believer in multiculturalism....so you have that in common In all seriousness, what this election has shown me is how clueless most of us are about the EU and politics in general. Most people probably don't know: what powers the EU has, how decisions are made, how their vote affected Britains representation or what benefits it gives us (for example what is the free trade agreement.) From the UKIP side the only rational arguments I've heard for voting for UKIP is as a protest vote for the major parties inefficiencies, but then whenever I ask people what those are they just reel out the media standards without any understanding of what policies have been introduced, removed, or brought to the table. The anti-UKIP side is often not much better with simple accusations of fascism, etc. We live in a democracy in which a large swathe of the country votes on one-liners and spin without truly understanding what they're voting for or taking the time to read and find out. I wouldn't and will not vote for UKIP because I don't believe immigration is the route of all evil, I don't believe you could actually simply close the doors on immigration even if you wanted to (do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in?) they are basically the back bench/extremists of the tory party and so stand against everything I believe in (equality, workers rights, freedom of choice, etc) plus they have created economic policy which has no realistic way of working ("scrap VAT/inheritence tax, etc""- and replace it with what?) I didn't make my mind up on this by reading the papers. I read UKIP's own policies and then saw what they were. A bunch of c***s. Hopefully what UKIP will have done is wake up the major parties into showing some real fight. I only pray that they won't listen to the ill-conceived politics that are parked in the Farrage garage.
They want controlled immigration no one in Ukip is saying no one can come in.....What are you on about? You blame people for not knowing enough about politics before voting and then you show that you clearly don't know or care about knowing Ukip's declared policies before you mischaracterise them. You are the type of person you yourself are criticizing. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 1.09pm) I did say "we", but you're right, I did get a bit carried away by saying no immigrants (although it's clear many UKIP voters do seem to want that.) What they actually want, from what I understand, is the right to choose what immigrants enter britain, and that they want those immigrants to fit within the UKIP model. Also, any immigrant with less than seven years residence could then be subject to being chucked out. To be honest it is quite hard to follow though as one minute they say something inflammatory and the next day they say that isn't the party line, even when it comes from senior members (for example the embarrassing case where Farrage derided the 2010 set of policies despite providing the foreword to it!) I still haven't seen a strong argument how UKIP would actually improve things by the way? But my guess is you'll focus on semantics rather than the positives of UKIPs policy (because that would be like trying to win a beauty contest with an armpit fart)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 1.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 1.10pm
Stirling, do you think maternity pay should be a right?
If I thought Ukip had a serious chance of getting in I might consider their other policies.....Though I hear that those policies are going to be different anyway for next year. Anyway, as a protest vote on the EU they were the most logical party to vote for to get that two fingered message across. Really, I'm a bit undecided who I'm going to vote for at the main one. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 1.47pm) Sorry, I thought I had answered it.
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Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 2.17pm
I did say "we", but you're right, I did get a bit carried away by saying no immigrants (although it's clear many UKIP voters do seem to want that.) What they actually want, from what I understand, is the right to choose what immigrants enter britain, and that they want those immigrants to fit within the UKIP model. Also, any immigrant with less than seven years residence could then be subject to being chucked out. To be honest it is quite hard to follow though as one minute they say something inflammatory and the next day they say that isn't the party line, even when it comes from senior members (for example the embarrassing case where Farrage derided the 2010 set of policies despite providing the foreword to it!) I still haven't seen a strong argument how UKIP would actually improve things by the way? But my guess is you'll focus on semantics rather than the positives of UKIPs policy (because that would be like trying to win a beauty contest with an armpit fart)
However voting Ukip is the only show in town if you want to voice your displeasure at the EU......Otherwise the main parties ignore you. I'm annoyed with the EU so Ukip got my vote....Simple as that really.
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Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 2.19pm
Sorry, I thought I had answered it. The EU. If you are knocked out in the boxing ring, does it really matter what type of punch knocked you out? Every party has its issues.
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that's fair enough, and I know staunch Labour voters who voted Tory after the Iraq War issue as a protest vote. What worries me is that the protest voters appear more and more to be the minority and it's actually shown a mirror to the bigotry that remains in modern britain. I know lots of people who didn't vote for this election who have stated that UKIPs achievement has motivated them to vote next year to ensure they don't get any real power. So it may be it has the reverse effect. Who knows. I think as I said, I voted Greens, who overtook the Liberals. And that wasn't a protest vote, but because I like the colour green.
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Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 2.32pm
Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 2.35pm)
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