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Teddy Eagle 25 Nov 23 11.18pm | |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
Is that who were doing the rioting? Not an angry group of ethnic minorities who had seen enough of their people needlessly victimised and in the worst cases killed? Different rules apply in Ireland apparently where only said right wing extremists protest murders.
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BrentisBack Beckenham 25 Nov 23 11.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Different rules apply in Ireland apparently where only said right wing extremists protest murders. I don’t think you can compare the two scenarios. And it’s probably not the right thread to be talking about this on given the fact that babies have been targeted. I don’t really want a part in that disrespect. Edited by BrentisBack (25 Nov 2023 11.39pm)
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Teddy Eagle 25 Nov 23 11.46pm | |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
I don’t think you can compare the two scenarios. And it’s probably not the right thread to be talking about this on given the fact that babies have been targeted. I don’t really want a part in that disrespect. Edited by BrentisBack (25 Nov 2023 11.39pm) OK.
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Spiderman Horsham 26 Nov 23 8.27am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course people must be vetted. That’s one of the primary reasons for the delays in processing illegals. Finding ways to stop them arriving in the first place is the priority. Anything arbitrary is not relevant. People are judged solely as people and not by labels. The only thing that the origin of anyone does is to raise potential red flags that require careful assessment. Virtually impossible to vet people who arrive with no documentation and refuse to give correct personal details. No doubt these should be detained…. oh wait detention is awful.
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Matov 26 Nov 23 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Virtually impossible to vet people who arrive with no documentation and refuse to give correct personal details. No doubt these should be detained…. oh wait detention is awful. Actually the Rwanda plan, and why it is not being implemented, is very very good. That is the point of this all. What Rwanda proves is that this is all deliberate. That the powers that be want to see the invasion of the south coast happen. They want to see the entire concept of the nation-state, and the identity that both comes from, and defines it, eroded. You no longer live in a nation. You live in an Economic Zone. They don't want the concept of being British or Irish or French or anything else to have any real kind of meaning anymore because that group identity is powerful. Unites people. Makes people willing to make real sacrifices for the greater good. And that is not the game here. When those boats roll up on the South Coast, literally escorted into British waters by forces of the state that you pay for, that you proclaim a loyalty to, they want you to feel disempowered. That all that history, all that heritage, means nothing. Rwanda is the final proof for all to see. Those illegals are more important to Whitehall than you are. Accept that and then everything makes sense.
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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 23 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Actually the Rwanda plan, and why it is not being implemented, is very very good. That is the point of this all. What Rwanda proves is that this is all deliberate. That the powers that be want to see the invasion of the south coast happen. They want to see the entire concept of the nation-state, and the identity that both comes from, and defines it, eroded. You no longer live in a nation. You live in an Economic Zone. They don't want the concept of being British or Irish or French or anything else to have any real kind of meaning anymore because that group identity is powerful. Unites people. Makes people willing to make real sacrifices for the greater good. And that is not the game here. When those boats roll up on the South Coast, literally escorted into British waters by forces of the state that you pay for, that you proclaim a loyalty to, they want you to feel disempowered. That all that history, all that heritage, means nothing. Rwanda is the final proof for all to see. Those illegals are more important to Whitehall than you are. Accept that and then everything makes sense. While the conservative party has factions like every other political entity I think it's just reality that the whole 'Rwanda' campaign, just like 'stop the boats' is little more than a distraction and dog and pony show on immigration. The focus on illegal immigration is slight of hand as the British public views all immigration as way out of proportion to what it should be. They rightly blame the Tories as the ruling party who could have dealt with this many decades ago....while they know that Labour also want immigration, despite all the opportunist criticisms they now all of a sudden have....Just like on Covid Labour are even worse, but gain because they aren't currently in power. Absolute neoliberal shower the lot of them. Indeed, Boris Johnson raging in the newspapers is the height of hypocrisy as he betrayed most of those who voted for him when he turned out to be an enthusiastic supporter of immigration rather than the 'based' picture he presented before government. The isn't a conservative party as Cameron rid it of most actual social conservatives due to his disfiguring on selection....just as Starmer is doing to Labour. It's a party of Rory Stewart clones.
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BrentisBack Beckenham 26 Nov 23 9.42am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
While the conservative party has factions like every other political entity I think it's just reality that the whole 'Rwanda' campaign, just like 'stop the boats' is little more than a distraction and dog and pony show on immigration. The focus on illegal immigration is slight of hand as the British public views all immigration as way out of proportion to what it should be. They rightly blame the Tories as the ruling party who could have dealt with this many decades ago....while they know that Labour also want immigration, despite all the opportunist criticisms they now all of a sudden have....Just like on Covid Labour are even worse, but gain because they aren't currently in power. Absolute neoliberal shower the lot of them. Indeed, Boris Johnson raging in the newspapers is the height of hypocrisy as he betrayed most of those who voted for him when he turned out to be an enthusiastic supporter of immigration rather than the 'based' picture he presented before government. The isn't a conservative party as Cameron rid it of most actual social conservatives due to his disfiguring on selection....just as Starmer is doing to Labour. It's a party of Rory Stewart clones.
Sometimes, just sometimes you really surprise me and type stuff out that I totally concur with.
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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Nov 23 9.43am | |
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Somebody posted that violence isn't the answer and I agree however what is the alternative? Protesting? 1m people marched against the Iraq war what good did that do? Okay well how about voting at the next GE. Vote Tory "we have lied to you for 13 years" the so called anti immigration party has presided over record immigration. Vote Labour, well at least they are honest about being pro immigration but it doesn't help those of us who want it reduced to sensible numbers. Vote for another party then? They just get squeezed out due to our first part the post system and in any case I am against PR it just means the politicians stitch up the electorate in back room deals, just ask those who voted Lib Dem in 2010. In summary I don't know what the answer is as Brexit proved the politicians listen then ignore and then lie if they don't like what they hear. Edited by Badger11 (26 Nov 2023 9.46am)
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Matov 26 Nov 23 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
While the conservative party has factions like every other political entity I think it's just reality that the whole 'Rwanda' campaign, just like 'stop the boats' is little more than a distraction and dog and pony show on immigration. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 9.31am) To a certain point then yes, and I cannot come up with anything to say this is wrong but for me where this Rwanda debacle matters is that it shows literally how much contempt the ruling classes in the UK have for us. When those boats land (or are landed) on the South Coast then a crime is being committed. Every adult on them should be immediately detained and then held on remand until such time as they can be deported. No ifs or buts around that. And yet they are not. So we get this Rwanda plan. Proposed by a Tory Government with a huge majority. And we are told, that it is not allowed to happen because judges, who have never faced a vote in their life, tell them they cannot do it which is utter nonsense. The Tories can vote through anything they want. Instead they hide. The UK system as it stands, and that includes all monarchy, the armed forces, the justice system and every other aspect of it, values those illegal immigrants over those of us born here. You and me are worthless to them. Which is fine. I am at peace with that. Makes a lot of decision making a whole lot easier. Rwanda PROVES my point. It is the metaphorical Rubicon that people have to make a decision about crossing. British nationality is nothing more now than a comfort blanket that will eventually smother you. I get why people choose to hide away underneath it. I get why people choose to keep it wrapped around themselves. Because it is bloody cold without it. But ultimately, it will kill you. And your family. Not an easy choice to make but for me Rwanda is where the entire perception of what I always thought it meant to be 'British' just falls away. The British State wants people to illegally land on our coastlines. And will punish you for resisting that. A statement of fact.
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cryrst The garden of England 26 Nov 23 10.06am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Actually the Rwanda plan, and why it is not being implemented, is very very good. That is the point of this all. What Rwanda proves is that this is all deliberate. That the powers that be want to see the invasion of the south coast happen. They want to see the entire concept of the nation-state, and the identity that both comes from, and defines it, eroded. You no longer live in a nation. You live in an Economic Zone. They don't want the concept of being British or Irish or French or anything else to have any real kind of meaning anymore because that group identity is powerful. Unites people. Makes people willing to make real sacrifices for the greater good. And that is not the game here. When those boats roll up on the South Coast, literally escorted into British waters by forces of the state that you pay for, that you proclaim a loyalty to, they want you to feel disempowered. That all that history, all that heritage, means nothing. Rwanda is the final proof for all to see. Those illegals are more important to Whitehall than you are. Accept that and then everything makes sense. Follow the money because 99% will want to work, earn and pay tax. Deep down lots want us gone I reckon but without dough coming in from all workers it goes south very quickly so they will have to put up and shut up. I would prefer they weren’t needed but our own society of non working entitled and spoilt individuals have in a way created this perfect storm. The shouty minority have helped cause this by defending the benefits system, the insistence of hmg help financially and hmg caving in every time.
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Matov 26 Nov 23 10.39am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Follow the money because 99% will want to work, earn and pay tax. Deep down lots want us gone I reckon but without dough coming in from all workers it goes south very quickly so they will have to put up and shut up. I would prefer they weren’t needed but our own society of non working entitled and spoilt individuals have in a way created this perfect storm. The shouty minority have helped cause this by defending the benefits system, the insistence of hmg help financially and hmg caving in every time. Your first part is utter cope. Sorry, but this is BS (and BS I fully bought into up unil a few years ago so this is not a personal attack. We don't need migrants. We can import workers on guest visas but this idea that we need to increase our core population is spurious nonsense. But I do get what you are saying about the history bit. A bit more realism about what actually happened in the past, as opposed to the mythical BS we have grown up with, might actually be the most dangerous part of all.
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 23 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
While the conservative party has factions like every other political entity I think it's just reality that the whole 'Rwanda' campaign, just like 'stop the boats' is little more than a distraction and dog and pony show on immigration. The focus on illegal immigration is slight of hand as the British public views all immigration as way out of proportion to what it should be. They rightly blame the Tories as the ruling party who could have dealt with this many decades ago....while they know that Labour also want immigration, despite all the opportunist criticisms they now all of a sudden have....Just like on Covid Labour are even worse, but gain because they aren't currently in power. Absolute neoliberal shower the lot of them. Indeed, Boris Johnson raging in the newspapers is the height of hypocrisy as he betrayed most of those who voted for him when he turned out to be an enthusiastic supporter of immigration rather than the 'based' picture he presented before government. The isn't a conservative party as Cameron rid it of most actual social conservatives due to his disfiguring on selection....just as Starmer is doing to Labour. It's a party of Rory Stewart clones.
It's hard to disagree. We are being played, as usual.
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