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 Stirlingsays  07 Jul 24 11.54am |
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While I'm against troll farming and regard it as reprehensible. Let no one be fooled that this is done by one side but not the other. Everything this guy talks about is done by all of them. He's the kind of guy who wants conflict if he doesn't like something....but only if he's not the one in the trench. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2024 11.55am)
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cryrst  The garden of England 07 Jul 24 4.33pm |
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The right wing RN will lose now due to the other left parties pulling out and if some of their supporters decide to tear up like antifa have for days you can bet it’s all over the news. Whereas I have seen nothing about antifa. Just shows where the MSM get their funding.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your one sided conspiracy theory nonsense does not deserve response. The reason why people voted Reform in large numbers should be clear to all. As any sensible person should, they ignored the endless propaganda drone coming from the Left and voted to try and rescue this country from people like you. It’s neither one sided or a conspiracy theory. It’s acknowledged that the west almost certainly tries too, but with much less effectiveness due to censorship. Our security services don’t peddle conspiracy theories. Nor is there “propaganda” from the left. There are just other opinions. No one is suggesting that Russian, or Chinese, troll farms are the only reason people voted for Reform. Their kind of politics has always attracted a degree of support in the UK. It is though only a minority and I cannot see that ever changing sufficiently to ever be anything else. What is actually clear is the obsession that some here have with immigration as the source of every problem.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Propaganda is everywhere all the time from many sources. When I switch on my TV or look on then internet, most of what I see is from the left. That Reform supporters don’t liked being faced with uncomfortable truths doesn’t mean they are propaganda, or come from the left! Truth exists. Dismissing things you don’t like as propaganda is a sign of a mind closed by prejudice.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The right wing RN will lose now due to the other left parties pulling out and if some of their supporters decide to tear up like antifa have for days you can bet it’s all over the news. Whereas I have seen nothing about antifa. Just shows where the MSM get their funding. Do you mean well known leftists like Rupert Murdoch, Viscount Rothermere and the Barclay brothers? I feel sure they are all behind such things! The RN will probably lose because more people don’t want them in power than do! That’s enough sometimes.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jul 24 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That Reform supporters don’t liked being faced with uncomfortable truths doesn’t mean they are propaganda, or come from the left! Truth exists. Dismissing things you don’t like as propaganda is a sign of a mind closed by prejudice. Do shut up. This is me dismissing your utter tosh. It's not worth trying to engage with such obvious trolling.
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| YT Oxford 07 Jul 24 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s neither one sided or a conspiracy theory. It’s acknowledged that the west almost certainly tries too, but with much less effectiveness due to censorship. Our security services don’t peddle conspiracy theories. Nor is there “propaganda” from the left. There are just other opinions. No one is suggesting that Russian, or Chinese, troll farms are the only reason people voted for Reform. Their kind of politics has always attracted a degree of support in the UK. It is though only a minority and I cannot see that ever changing sufficiently to ever be anything else. What is actually clear is the obsession that some here have with immigration as the source of every problem. Would you like to say the same about the Liberal Democrats? Their support on Thursday was, of course, way lower than Reform.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 6.27pm |
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Originally posted by YT
Would you like to say the same about the Liberal Democrats? Their support on Thursday was, of course, way lower than Reform.
Yes. However, in fptp they have places where they retain traditional support whereas Reform don’t. Their support is more evenly distributed. Coming second or third isn’t enough. Their only hope is PR but only to gain a voice, never to hold power.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jul 24 6.29pm |
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Originally posted by YT
Would you like to say the same about the Liberal Democrats? Their support on Thursday was, of course, way lower than Reform.
This is coming from the man who said Reform would get no seats. They got the third largest share of the vote having only effectively existed for a few months. Our Cornish pasty is afraid. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jul 2024 6.31pm)
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| Matov 07 Jul 24 6.47pm |
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Don't get too excited about Reform. Yes, gaining the third-highest amount of votes is an extraordinary acheivment but that was in the white-light of a GE. They now need to build an organisation and I do worry about Farage lasting the course. More than happy to be proved wrong but have decided my vote needs to be earned.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 6.47pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is coming from the man who said Reform would get no seats. They got the third largest share of the vote having only effectively existed for a few months. Our Cornish pasty is afraid. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jul 2024 6.31pm) All I ever said was what the polls were saying! I am not Mystic Meg! The rumours I have heard is that Sunak, or more likely Central Office, decided to go early as there were moves afoot to replace him and it was thought that delay would ultimately be more damaging. Getting it over now hastens the day when they get back in again. With a fresh paint job, new faces and 5 years of shifting responsibility to Labour.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 24 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Don't get too excited about Reform. Yes, gaining the third-highest amount of votes is an extraordinary acheivment but that was in the white-light of a GE. They now need to build an organisation and I do worry about Farage lasting the course. More than happy to be proved wrong but have decided my vote needs to be earned. If Trump does get back in the USA his bromance with Farage will do Reform no favours at all.
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