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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 28 Sep 23 1.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm sorry but I really have to make the point that there isn't any such thing as stopping people from saying stuff. Hell, you can't even do that in North Korea. It's always been about what the consequences were. We differ on what the line is and the extent of state and regulatory interference should be.....I refer you to back to Starkey's view. You set the bar as low as you can....that bar existed in this country for a very long time. It's not some radical idea. As for you being taken aback somewhat by my defence of offensive speech. I also really have to state that it's not 'freedom of inoffensive speech'....Rather obviously no one needs to protect speech that doesn't offend anybody. I can remember when Thatcher was in power....the left would say really quite insulting things about her, some of it way out of order.....Did I call for their censor? Nope, very few did. I remember when she died....some berk released a song celebrating her death that hit the charts and made the news, 'ding dong the witch is dead'. Did I call for that to be banned....Nope. Instead I criticised the hell out of it. When they called for that fat lefty unshaggable comedian Jo Brand to be banned over that poor taste Farage joke about acid....Did I support her being banned....Nope.....Even though some said it encouraged violence against him. I'm perfectly fine with people criticizing Fox.....However, the moves to censor and calls for banning are just indicative of the significantly less free society Britain is becoming. It can have your support, but it doesn't have mine. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2023 6.32am) Well exactly. Anyone can say whatever they like, whenever they like. It's called Free Speech. Censorship and banning is for the birds. The clamour about it has become hysterical, and it's not even true... If GB news want to sack Fox, that's up to them. Is that cancelling him, or censoring him? No. He will continue to exercise free speech on other platforms that feel more able to accommodate his views. The BBC have today decided to implement a Social Media leash on people like Lineker (who as a reminder, was also suspended for comments made). Does that mean he is being cancelled too? No. He is free to say what he wants on other platforms. Hell, he's free to break the BBCs new rules if he wants to. But as a corporate entity it can decide if it wants to sack him or not. Capitalism. All this chat about cancelling and censorship is hyperbole, and only ever gets trotted out when someone on the right is criticised. It's a defence reflex, which actually seems a lot like the same thing you lot get all worked up about, but in reverse.
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 23 1.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Blue singer Lee Ryan sentenced for calling Black BA flight attendant ‘chocolate cookie’ Do you remember when Lee Ryan took Marco Pierre White to task on a cookery programme when MPW referred to a dish as being a ‘Pikie’s Picnic’? Lee took exception to the phrase and there was a small ‘discussion’ about the language used. Lee Ryan's always been a bit of a berk. Always liked White....seems a bit of a psycho though, which is probably why he did so well as a chef....I bought his books but most of it is uncookable posh French nosh. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2023 1.49pm)
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eaglesdare 28 Sep 23 1.53pm | |
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A GB News presenter made some offensive comments so the station should be shut down. Several BBC presenters fiddled with kids for decades so the station must be allowed to operate. Makes sense
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 23 1.55pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Well exactly. Anyone can say whatever they like, whenever they like. It's called Free Speech. Censorship and banning is for the birds. The clamour about it has become hysterical, and it's not even true... If GB news want to sack Fox, that's up to them. Is that cancelling him, or censoring him? No. He will continue to exercise free speech on other platforms that feel more able to accommodate his views. The BBC have today decided to implement a Social Media leash on people like Lineker (who as a reminder, was also suspended for comments made). Does that mean he is being cancelled too? No. He is free to say what he wants on other platforms. Hell, he's free to break the BBCs new rules if he wants to. But as a corporate entity it can decide if it wants to sack him or not. Capitalism. All this chat about cancelling and censorship is hyperbole, and only ever gets trotted out when someone on the right is criticised. It's a defence reflex, which actually seems a lot like the same thing you lot get all worked up about, but in reverse. Capitalism isn't corporate conformity. Corporate conformity is an identifier of state authoritarianism.....Which is why they all operate in lock step. They are just scared of institutional punishment as I stated....Ofcom being the instrument. GBNews is attacked daily and constantly for even being lukewarm cuckservatives......They are made to get rid of any actual real conservatives. Happened with Mark Steyn. Will happen with Fox. Capitalism my foot.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 28 Sep 23 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Capitalism isn't corporate conformity. Corporate conformity is an identifier of state authoritarianism.....Which is why they all operate in lock step. They are just scared of institutional punishment as I stated....Ofcom being the instrument. GBNews is attacked daily and constantly for even being lukewarm cuckservatives......They are made to get rid of any actual real conservatives. Happened with Mark Steyn. Will happen with Fox. Capitalism my foot. Well we literally live in a capitalist system, so by extension... Meanwhile, the death of free speech has been greatly exaggerated. As is proved every single day by imbeciles such as Fox GBNews is attacked because of its shoddy, often amateurish journalism. I expect in time it will mature, its audience will grow and it will iron out the wrinkles, but right now it doesn't cut the mustard. Put s*** out, get s*** back. Not exactly rocket science
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 23 2.11pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Well we literally live in a capitalist system, so by extension... Meanwhile, the death of free speech has been greatly exaggerated. As is proved every single day by imbeciles such as Fox GBNews is attacked because of its shoddy, often amateurish journalism. I expect in time it will mature, its audience will grow and it will iron out the wrinkles, but right now it doesn't cut the mustard. Put s*** out, get s*** back. Not exactly rocket science We live in neo liberal capitalism......it's nowhere near as free as it was and you know it isn't. GBNews is doing well in viewership considering how old it is.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Sep 23 3.06pm | |
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'Dan Wootton sacked by MailOnline a day after GB News suspension'. Even the tories can't stand him. They thought Hitler was great, but not diabolical Dan.
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Midlands Eagle 28 Sep 23 7.07pm | |
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It did make me smile when I read the BBC headline that Ofcom had received 7,300 complaints about Fox's comments. I wonder how many of the complainants actually watched the show or are these professional complainers basing it on the BBC's summary Incidentally - I wouldn't
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Sep 23 9.30pm | |
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'GB News was plunged into a fresh impartiality row on Thursday after Conservative deputy party chairman Lee Anderson revealed that he would be interviewing Home Secretary Suella Braverman on the channel'. A tory love-in masquerading as 'GB News'.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Sep 23 10.21pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Dan Wootton sacked by MailOnline a day after GB News suspension'. Even the tories can't stand him. They thought Hitler was great, but not diabolical Dan.
Another stupid comment from the lauder of anti semites, no surprise. Hitler was anti semitic so common ground with those you admire so much
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Stirlingsays 30 Sep 23 10.01am | |
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I think what this episode has proven is that the right aren't going to be allowed a 'free speech' channel in the sense that they advertised themselves as.....something that was already pretty lukewarm and cucked conservativism as it was. Before GBNews....which was doing very well in ratings....whenever the right complained about censorship we would hear coming back to us....'build your own Twitter' or 'build your own media' so on and so forth. In reality the nature of progressives means that they can't brook any opposing viewpoint and since this outlet was created have obsessively attacked it just for existing. Their activists continually contact advertisers and form mobs to report to Ofcom as some kind of badge of honour. Considering the viewing numbers GBNews should have no issues with advertisers but in reality they are scared by these deranged weirdos.....who have a lot of mainstream support....and obviously all the existing competing media channels behind them. What they do is actually create the space for stronger views than GBNews....but they aren't bright enough to realise that as in their brains GBNews are the far right. Personally I think a right wing channel will have to operate off shore from the liberal authoritarianism that the British state is moving towards. The state via its institutional instruments will only allow approved opinions on television. Essentially it's little different to Russia. The Tories are terrible because they have done nothing to row back the crimes done to civic liberties in this country but when Labour get in......there will be a chilling affect on free speech across the country. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2023 10.12am)
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Stirlingsays 30 Sep 23 11.26am | |
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Pretty good article about it all:
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