Yep, we are students of the form.....personally, I'm mostly fluent from take away menus.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Could have been worse. At least he wasn't shouting "Ry you no risten, cookie boy"

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

We’ll have to agree to disagree.

Actions speak louder than words in both of these examples. Plenty of people I know including myself who, no matter how drunk or emotionally charged would not reactively produce a racist gesture. Even when you’re smashed you still have red lines. If anything the more inebriated or otherwise the worse it is… because in that state all inhibitions fall away. I’ve seen the video in question… he knew what he was doing, and so did this moron palace fan.

Also the very fact you call this ‘mates banter’ and ‘tribal football stuff’ says it all. Normalised behaviour in private, exposed because of lack of inhibition due to alcohol or whatever else.

Reminds me of the ‘but some of my best friends are black’ defense

Comical

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Surely that crowbar is getting a little heavy by now

Arguably contributing reasons for incidents like this being bumped up the agenda are more nuanced than ‘globalisation’ and ‘mass migration’ which in every post you make seem to be the root cause of absolutely everything. Absolute broken record

1. Racism and violence used to be a constant in football. A lot of people have worked hard to reduce it. I don’t think they want it back - hence zero tolerance, headlines and examples being made, rightly, at every opportunity.

2. Football crowds have a pretty good selection of what politicians love to term ‘hard working folk’ - eg the non-elites, lower middle classes etc. ‘Real’ people. So when you see idiots feeling bold enough to partake in this sort of nonsense then you know the problem is still very much alive and kicking amongst the masses

3. It’s racist behaviour. So much try hard downplaying on here it’s unreal. Sure it’s low on the scale of ‘racism’, but does that make it acceptable and not racist? No.

Maybe I’m wrong and this sort of thing also frequently happens at the rugby.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

I don't accept your premises. I've read some of your posts and they differ so wildly from my own positions that there's no point even discussing it with you. I think these positions actually worsen society and create the very opposite of what you think, while you obviously disagree.

As for myself, what on earth has that got to do with you? Am I allowed to change my mind on something or does that also have to pass some test of acceptability for you.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

With respect, we don't agree on what racism is and how societies should be structured in relation to it. But I will say that attitudes back in the sixties are far more healthy for the British than they are now.

I'll say again, I think these social liberal policies, while long in the mainstream have considerably worsened society not improved it and the social metrics bare it out. As I've said the principle reasons is that they are based upon utopian ideas rather than utilitarian ones. Against human nature instead of working with its natural process. As always happens within that framework it ends with an increasingly authoritarian state.....which those who post your kind of views are bringing about.

The freedoms that better generations fought for and had in the sixties and seventies have been ruined by neo and social liberalism and middle class obsessions with egalitarianism that have never worked.

When the pieces don't fit the jigsaw your chaps will just keep bashing the pieces until they fit. It never ends well but I accept its inevitability as a student of human nature.

Well, I answered you.

How long I'm here is still unknown....maybe I'll periodically drift in and out for years, bugger off permanently or have a heart attack and be one less gammon for you lot to tut at.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2023 12.24am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)