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Eaglecoops CR3 09 Oct 22 8.12pm | |
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20 minutes of relegation standard performance, followed by some marginally better stuff. Not a great showing by most, but who cares as that was 3 much needed points. Big mistake not buying another central midfielder to support Doucoure and I’m not sure we can afford to play Zaha, Olise, Eze and Ayew in the same side and expect to have any sort of control over the midfield. However, the two magic moments were from Eze and Olise so maybe it’s more down to them to get more involved in matches.
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southnorwoodhill 09 Oct 22 8.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
20 minutes of relegation standard performance, followed by some marginally better stuff. Not a great showing by most, but who cares as that was 3 much needed points. Big mistake not buying another central midfielder to support Doucoure and I’m not sure we can afford to play Zaha, Olise, Eze and Ayew in the same side and expect to have any sort of control over the midfield. However, the two magic moments were from Eze and Olise so maybe it’s more down to them to get more involved in matches. And there's the catch. For them to be more involved they have to have supply from the midfield. But wait a minute, aren't they midfielders themselves?
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 09 Oct 22 8.41pm | |
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I think Leeds will be bottom three or thereabouts and it was a massive three points. The bench again spelled out how hard this season is going to be. Aside from the obvious when he got caught I find the criticism of Guaita's kicking a bit of a head scratcher when he's put under pressure by such terrible back passes and the defence as a whole looked so panicked early on. I'm disappointed by the impact of Doucoure. He doesn't seem particularly effective when we don't have the ball, doesn't seem to protect it very well under pressure or quick to pick out a forward pass. He rightly got hooked against Chelsea after letting Gallagher go a couple of times. Defensive mid is the easiest position on the pitch in the modern game IMO. Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (09 Oct 2022 8.42pm)
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samprior Hamburg 09 Oct 22 9.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
I think Leeds will be bottom three or thereabouts and it was a massive three points. The bench again spelled out how hard this season is going to be. Aside from the obvious when he got caught I find the criticism of Guaita's kicking a bit of a head scratcher when he's put under pressure by such terrible back passes and the defence as a whole looked so panicked early on. I'm disappointed by the impact of Doucoure. He doesn't seem particularly effective when we don't have the ball, doesn't seem to protect it very well under pressure or quick to pick out a forward pass. He rightly got hooked against Chelsea after letting Gallagher go a couple of times. Defensive mid is the easiest position on the pitch in the modern game IMO. Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (09 Oct 2022 8.42pm) Probably not when you have to do it all by yourself. Today wasn't his best game but I have to disagree with you. I think Doucouré has been a great addition. Now we just have to give him a bit of help, which I'm sure will come in January.
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 09 Oct 22 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by samprior
Probably not when you have to do it all by yourself. Today wasn't his best game but I have to disagree with you. I think Doucouré has been a great addition. Now we just have to give him a bit of help, which I'm sure will come in January. I've watched him over a few games now. The doing it by yourself bit is overdone IMO and he should be showing more awareness and strength on the ball and moving it forward. He's also looked cooked before the end of the game too many times. Today we brought on leggy Luka in his place and it barely made a difference to the team overall.
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georgey wood South London and Proud 09 Oct 22 9.16pm | |
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Absolutely awful performance for an hour but we’ve been good all season without getting the results but that’s prem football. Forget formations, pressing, transfer windows all that nonsense we were 2nd to every ball for an hour don’t need OPTA stats for that, that’s simple work rate. Poor Dacoure was a one man midfield. Eze, Olise and Zaha only go one way which is great when we have controlled possession but we didn’t today Leeds press for an hour was insanely good tbf. Thing is I feel for Viera I’m doing mad saying we need to change shape then I look at the bench and it’s like with who? Also Ward absolute legend at the club and still a very good squad player but imagine if he wasn’t a legend and the first time you saw him was today lol. Don’t you think you would be going crazy that this player isn’t upto prem standard Anyway rant over, positive Eduord looked a threat two games in a row and two goals and tbf I think we beat a decent Leeds today who pressed amazingly well. However lots of work to do for Viera and this season to improve on last year. Geezer needs some players in January or be a relegation scrap. Up the palace ….
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 09 Oct 22 9.21pm | |
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Probably our poorest performance of the season (bearing in mind the quality of the opposition) and yet 3 valuable points and hopefully the start of a decent run. I like Doucoure BUT he needs support. We can't afford to have two flaky players as his midfield partners no matter how good they are on the ball - we need to have the ball first before they can show their skills with it. Like last week - put the right type of ball into the box and our strikers will prosper. Hope Edouard can get a run going now and build up his confidence.
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EddieMac 09 Oct 22 9.36pm | |
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Massive 3 points and a decent run of games coming up. Great to see Edouard score 2 in 2. Hopefully he can kick on now.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 Oct 22 9.52pm | |
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Originally posted by samprior
Probably not when you have to do it all by yourself. Today wasn't his best game but I have to disagree with you. I think Doucouré has been a great addition. Now we just have to give him a bit of help, which I'm sure will come in January. Absolutely agree. Doucoure is not a 'defensive midfielder' in the Luka M or even say a Kante, K.Phillips, Busquets, Fabinho etc type. CD is a neat, tidy centre midfielder. He has good ball control, a good footballing brain and can spot a pass, perhaps less so of the long range on a sixpence type but can play the shorter ball a lot better than most. He can defend quite well too within the limits of him as a centre, and not holding, midfielder. I think he's a fantastic addition but only one of a few we needed with some still missing - Hence the rotations of the likes of Schlupp, Olise, Luka, Hughes etc. No-one else is securing, or even wanting to secure long term, that other slot. For me, going forward, I would like to see a somewhat staggered three man midfield with Eze slightly further forward, Doucoure as the CM and more of a holding midfielder (someone new) slightly behind him. Again a Kante type who has less sight on getting forward, scoring goals, breaking up the pitch etc and more on shielding the defence, breaking up play and picking the occasional pass from deep would be nice. Again, just my opinion but that's my wish.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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CT Charlie 09 Oct 22 9.54pm | |
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1) Credit to Leeds for their press, and we should be grateful they didn't or couldn't maintain it. 2) For those critical of Doucouré, what???? After a stupid foul, he did a fine job of playing the position without picking up a second card. Given the near-solo workload, that showed impressive discipline (even though he benefitted from a generous no-call). 3) I hope Wilf and Edouard have the freedom to swap inside-outside whenever it suits them. Edouard's skills on the ball are good enough to present a threat from the wing, and Wilf can always make something happen in the box – esp. drawing a foul. 4) Subbing Mateta for Édouard ind the final 15-20 minutes, with a lead, is wise. JPM can win more balls with his head than Odsonne, and he'll harass opponents. 4) As frustrated as I am that we didn't acquire more stand-up knock-down hold-'em midfield depth over the summer, imagine how frustrated Parish and Vieira feel. I don't think it was due to a lack of trying.
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 09 Oct 22 9.58pm | |
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Originally posted by CT Charlie
1) Credit to Leeds for their press, and we should be grateful they didn't or couldn't maintain it. 2) For those critical of Doucouré, what???? After a stupid foul, he did a fine job of playing the position without picking up a second card. Given the near-solo workload, that showed impressive discipline (even though he benefitted from a generous no-call). 3) I hope Wilf and Edouard have the freedom to swap inside-outside whenever it suits them. Edouard's skills on the ball are good enough to present a threat from the wing, and Wilf can always make something happen in the box – esp. drawing a foul. 4) Subbing Mateta for Édouard ind the final 15-20 minutes, with a lead, is wise. JPM can win more balls with his head than Odsonne, and he'll harass opponents. 4) As frustrated as I am that we didn't acquire more stand-up knock-down hold-'em midfield depth over the summer, imagine how frustrated Parish and Vieira feel. I don't think it was due to a lack of trying. Sorry, to be clear (as probably the only poster to critcise him), my observations regarding Doucoure aren't based purely on today. He's generally tidy but I think it's an exaggeration to say he's been doing it on his own over the course of the seven games this season. I expected a bit more based on some of the narrative surrounding his signing and taking him off today for Luka didn't see to upset things much. Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (09 Oct 2022 10.09pm)
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YT Oxford 09 Oct 22 10.04pm | |
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Just a point behind Liverpool, then.
Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes) |
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