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Teddy Eagle 01 Oct 22 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That though is the decision of the University who need to decide what is in the best interest of their students. Those who are "uninvited" can protest all they wish, but it's not their space, or responsibility. You, too, can feel it's unfair, but in most cases the Universities are concerned about safety issues, and on many occasions the uninvited speaker gains more publicity for their cause than if they spoke to a small audience who heckled them, so I suspect a few engineer the circumstances. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (01 Oct 2022 5.54pm) How is it anyone's interest to let the preconceptions of a few determine what others can experience, particularly when Transphobia is such a catch-all term.
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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Oct 22 7.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Different issue. No it's not, just to clarify JK Rowling has been supporting various women around the world who have been attacked for voicing these concerns which is why I suggested she has a better understanding herself. It';s not just what has happened to her but to others she now campaigns with. But carry on and stick your fingers in your ears lah lah lah, no problem here. Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2022 7.12pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 22 7.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How is it anyone's interest to let the preconceptions of a few determine what others can experience, particularly when Transphobia is such a catch-all term. I don't think that's true. From all I know, the Universities are more concerned with safety, the possibility of protests disrupting University life and avoiding the costs of Policing, or security. I think they have the same response to any event which threatens disruption. They cancel it.
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Stirlingsays 01 Oct 22 7.41pm | |
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'Transphobia' is just another leftist language manipulation. They like to use 'phobia' onto any mindset they want to frighten people away from. Phobia can be described as 'a persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite sometimes the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.' I regard transgenderism as just another manifestation of mental illness. I am no more in fear of it than I am in fear of other personality disorders. Depending upon the individual I might have sympathy or disgust, but fear? No. Leftists have been normalising severe mental illness for decades now and it has many dangerous consequences. I won't lie and play their games nor give validity to their words. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Oct 2022 8.01pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 22 7.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
No it's not, just to clarify JK Rowling has been supporting various women around the world who have been attacked for voicing these concerns which is why I suggested she has a better understanding herself. It';s not just what has happened to her but to others she now campaigns with. But carry on and stick your fingers in your ears lah lah lah, no problem here. Edited by Badger11 (01 Oct 2022 7.12pm) How people are treated for expressing their views is a different subject. It has no direct connection to this issue at all. We are discussing transsexuality. Not how people who either defend, or oppose it, are regarded. I may well disagree with JK Rowling on this issue, and the women she has been supporting, but I would always defend her, and their, right to an opinion. It's another issue.
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cryrst The garden of England 01 Oct 22 7.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Both of my eldest daughters children are in the process. One, one way, the other the reverse way. They are at different stages and one is taking it slower than the other. Both are receiving support, as is the family who are staying together over it all. If it’s as normal as you claim why are you even mentioning the family may have been at risk of splitting up. Also I see your taking my word for something; that’s really unusual for you, why is that ?
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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Oct 22 7.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How people are treated for expressing their views is a different subject. It has no direct connection to this issue at all. We are discussing transsexuality. Not how people who either defend, or oppose it, are regarded. I may well disagree with JK Rowling on this issue, and the women she has been supporting, but I would always defend her, and their, right to an opinion. It's another issue. Then we must be in a different conversation because that is exactly what I am doing. I am not against Trans people or even denying they exist just making the point that their views are being pushed on the majority.
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Teddy Eagle 01 Oct 22 7.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think that's true. From all I know, the Universities are more concerned with safety, the possibility of protests disrupting University life and avoiding the costs of Policing, or security. I think they have the same response to any event which threatens disruption. They cancel it. You're missing the point. Why should students be protected from opposing points of view? Isn't one of universities' purposes to encourage students to think for themselves not to reinforce their prejudices? If they think they won't agree no one is forcing them to go.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 22 8.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Transphobia' is just another leftist language manipulation. They like to stick 'phobia' onto any mindset they want to frighten people away from. Phobia can be described as 'a persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite sometimes the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.' I regard transgenderism as just another manifestation of mental illness. I am no more in fear of it than I am in fear of other personality disorders. Depending upon the individual I might have sympathy or disgust, but fear? No. Leftists have been normalising severe mental illness for decades now and it has many dangerous consequences. I won't lie and play their games nor give validity to their words. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Oct 2022 7.43pm)
The idea that a transgender person is, in some way, "leftish" is part of a common theme. Everything bad springs from being "leftish". This is considered bad, so it too must be. There is little doubt that many of those who experience this also suffer from “gender dysphoria,” which refers to psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one’s sex assigned at birth and one’s gender identity. That, though, doesn't mean the condition is a mental illness. It means the condition, and the way people regard it, causes a mental illness. One day the light of reason will break through. Let's hope it's soon.
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Stirlingsays 01 Oct 22 8.10pm | |
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Go find a nudist beach.
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cryrst The garden of England 01 Oct 22 8.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The idea that a transgender person is, in some way, "leftish" is part of a common theme. Everything bad springs from being "leftish". This is considered bad, so it too must be. There is little doubt that many of those who experience this also suffer from “gender dysphoria,” which refers to psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one’s sex assigned at birth and one’s gender identity. That, though, doesn't mean the condition is a mental illness. It means the condition, and the way people regard it, causes a mental illness. One day the light of reason will break through. Let's hope it's soon. He didn’t say that at all. He said the left have weaponised it to bash people who don’t think it’s right or should be given the pedestal it has. Of course all politics would be covered by people with the condition; which it is. Personally I feel they don’t get enough help to try to steer them away from the feelings they have. There are examples of this being successful and the people steered away being very grateful they were.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 22 9.05pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
He didn’t say that at all. He said the left have weaponised it to bash people who don’t think it’s right or should be given the pedestal it has. Of course all politics would be covered by people with the condition; which it is. Personally I feel they don’t get enough help to try to steer them away from the feelings they have. There are examples of this being successful and the people steered away being very grateful they were. Oh yes, he did. Not directly, but it's there, covered in the illogical linkages. The "left" are not involved! Why would they, or should they be. This isn't political. If people with a social conscience show compassion for those who need it, that's just kindness. Which can come from all political spectrums, although not, it seems, from the hard right. I am not a "lefty" in any way at all, but I show compassion. That you feel people need "help to steer them away" is really quite disturbing. People need help to understand their feelings, rationalise them, check if they are real and, if they are, come to terms with them. Your statement is resonant of those who believe gay men and women can be "cured" through religion. It's discredited and dangerous.
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