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CpfcWeTrust1 26 Apr 23 7.29pm
Originally posted by sydtheeagle The Ferguson experience, and I have little sympathy for anyone involved to be honest, tells you only about the stupidity of buying an injured player, particularly one whose injury was quite serious to begin with. I mean who, in their right mind, pays money for a player who's been out of the game for six months with an incapacitating knee issue at the time they sign him? It beggars belief. That Ferguson then went on to have not one but two serious Achilles injuries (not entirely a surprise; knee injuries are often followed by "compensation" injuries in other joints) and then major hamstring issues was, by then, not even shocking. Having been dumb enough to pay money for him in the first place, the club should have at least bought him out and settled his contract after the first Achilles rupture instead of throwing even more good money after bad. As for the player, and this will sound harsh, any specialist (except the Palace medical staff) would have likely have told him his chances of a PL career after the second injury were vanishingly small. But good for him...he's found the one club dumb enough to completely mismanage the situation and he's banked a good few bob as a result. We should stop discussing him. His career's over and frankly, the whole situation is embarrassing. When you've been a worse signing than Florian Marange, you don't deserve a thread of your own. Edited by sydtheeagle (26 Apr 2023 4.27pm) I wager you're Captain Hindsight in disguise. It wasn't a huge amount Palace paid in the grand scheme of things on somebody who was meant to have bags of potential. I am sure lots of people involved weighed up the pros and cons beforehand. You're obviously far more astute, immune to taking risks and them ever failing. There have been lots of players throughout the Premier league that have been massively injury prone that clubs have taken a chance on...and for far more than what Palace paid for this lad. If you wanted to moan about players, at least Ferguson has a good excuse unlike Edouard who looks like he's in rewind when he plays.
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CpfcWeTrust1

26 Apr 23 7.29pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

The Ferguson experience, and I have little sympathy for anyone involved to be honest, tells you only about the stupidity of buying an injured player, particularly one whose injury was quite serious to begin with. I mean who, in their right mind, pays money for a player who's been out of the game for six months with an incapacitating knee issue at the time they sign him? It beggars belief. That Ferguson then went on to have not one but two serious Achilles injuries (not entirely a surprise; knee injuries are often followed by "compensation" injuries in other joints) and then major hamstring issues was, by then, not even shocking. Having been dumb enough to pay money for him in the first place, the club should have at least bought him out and settled his contract after the first Achilles rupture instead of throwing even more good money after bad. As for the player, and this will sound harsh, any specialist (except the Palace medical staff) would have likely have told him his chances of a PL career after the second injury were vanishingly small. But good for him...he's found the one club dumb enough to completely mismanage the situation and he's banked a good few bob as a result. We should stop discussing him. His career's over and frankly, the whole situation is embarrassing. When you've been a worse signing than Florian Marange, you don't deserve a thread of your own.

Edited by sydtheeagle (26 Apr 2023 4.27pm)

I wager you're Captain Hindsight in disguise. It wasn't a huge amount Palace paid in the grand scheme of things on somebody who was meant to have bags of potential. I am sure lots of people involved weighed up the pros and cons beforehand. You're obviously far more astute, immune to taking risks and them ever failing.

There have been lots of players throughout the Premier league that have been massively injury prone that clubs have taken a chance on...and for far more than what Palace paid for this lad.

If you wanted to moan about players, at least Ferguson has a good excuse unlike Edouard who looks like he's in rewind when he plays.

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samprior Hamburg 26 Apr 23 10.11pm
Don't know what all the fuss is about. Yes it's a big shame that he's been injured the whole time but we didn't pay a transfer fee... yes he's been taking a handsome wage but not ridiculous in footballing terms (mental in the real world). I remember when we refused to sign him after his medical in the January there were some people saying we should have just paid the 9m to get it done... luckily we didn't and waited for the free transfer. Every team has a sick note or two... some who cost a lot more money. The biggest shame of the whole saga was that he was a player with big potential who played in a position that we've been crying out for improvement in over the last couple of years.
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Hamburg 26 Apr 23 10.11pm

Don't know what all the fuss is about. Yes it's a big shame that he's been injured the whole time but we didn't pay a transfer fee... yes he's been taking a handsome wage but not ridiculous in footballing terms (mental in the real world). I remember when we refused to sign him after his medical in the January there were some people saying we should have just paid the 9m to get it done... luckily we didn't and waited for the free transfer. Every team has a sick note or two... some who cost a lot more money.

The biggest shame of the whole saga was that he was a player with big potential who played in a position that we've been crying out for improvement in over the last couple of years.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Apr 23 12.28pm
Originally posted by samprior Don't know what all the fuss is about. Yes it's a big shame that he's been injured the whole time but we didn't pay a transfer fee... yes he's been taking a handsome wage but not ridiculous in footballing terms (mental in the real world). I remember when we refused to sign him after his medical in the January there were some people saying we should have just paid the 9m to get it done... luckily we didn't and waited for the free transfer. Every team has a sick note or two... some who cost a lot more money. The biggest shame of the whole saga was that he was a player with big potential who played in a position that we've been crying out for improvement in over the last couple of years. Agreed. You've put it into perspective when looked at in terms of the world of the PL.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Apr 23 12.28pm

Originally posted by samprior

The biggest shame of the whole saga was that he was a player with big potential who played in a position that we've been crying out for improvement in over the last couple of years.

Agreed. You've put it into perspective when looked at in terms of the world of the PL.

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Eaglecoops CR3 27 Apr 23 2.38pm
Originally posted by samprior Don't know what all the fuss is about. Yes it's a big shame that he's been injured the whole time but we didn't pay a transfer fee... yes he's been taking a handsome wage but not ridiculous in footballing terms (mental in the real world). I remember when we refused to sign him after his medical in the January there were some people saying we should have just paid the 9m to get it done... luckily we didn't and waited for the free transfer. Every team has a sick note or two... some who cost a lot more money. The biggest shame of the whole saga was that he was a player with big potential who played in a position that we've been crying out for improvement in over the last couple of years. Didn’t we pay £800,000 in compensation which is not a massive amount but enough. The main issue for me is that all the time we’ve been waiting for him to become fit we’ve not replaced Ward or Clyne, so we’ve seen a gradual decline in that position.
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CR3 27 Apr 23 2.38pm

Originally posted by samprior

The biggest shame of the whole saga was that he was a player with big potential who played in a position that we've been crying out for improvement in over the last couple of years.

Didn’t we pay £800,000 in compensation which is not a massive amount but enough.

The main issue for me is that all the time we’ve been waiting for him to become fit we’ve not replaced Ward or Clyne, so we’ve seen a gradual decline in that position.

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sydtheeagle England 28 Apr 23 5.53pm
Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1 I wager you're Captain Hindsight in disguise. It wasn't a huge amount Palace paid in the grand scheme of things on somebody who was meant to have bags of potential. You really don't need to be Captain Hindsight to realise that buying a player (even a cheap one) who has a serious injury in a major joint that's kept him out of the game for six months isn't a risk worth taking. That's why almost no one, anywhere, ever, buys players in that situation, regardless of their potential. The number of times it pays off is vanishingly small, if not non-existent. I am not being wise after the fact. It was easy enough to apply basic logic before the fact. Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1 I am sure lots of people involved weighed up the pros and cons beforehand. You're obviously far more astute, immune to taking risks and them ever failing. I'm sure they did. It's entirely possible in life to weigh things up and still reach the wrong decision. I married my ex-wife having followed such a process. That ended about as well as the Ferguson transfer did for Palace. And I will admit that my thinking wasn't very astute at the time, in spite of my best efforts and intentions. Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1 There have been lots of players throughout the Premier league that have been massively injury prone that clubs have taken a chance on...and for far more than what Palace paid for this lad. So the fact that other clubs have been as stupid as we were with Ferguston is somehow justification for our stupidity? Really? How many of those other dumb decisions worked out? I'd venture to guess almost none. Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1 If you wanted to moan about players, at least Ferguson has a good excuse unlike Edouard who looks like he's in rewind when he plays. I don't think I was moaning about the player. I was moaning about the people involved in the decision to buy him which is something entirely different. Edited by sydtheeagle (28 Apr 2023 5.54pm) Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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England 28 Apr 23 5.53pm

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

I wager you're Captain Hindsight in disguise. It wasn't a huge amount Palace paid in the grand scheme of things on somebody who was meant to have bags of potential.

You really don't need to be Captain Hindsight to realise that buying a player (even a cheap one) who has a serious injury in a major joint that's kept him out of the game for six months isn't a risk worth taking. That's why almost no one, anywhere, ever, buys players in that situation, regardless of their potential. The number of times it pays off is vanishingly small, if not non-existent. I am not being wise after the fact. It was easy enough to apply basic logic before the fact.

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

I am sure lots of people involved weighed up the pros and cons beforehand. You're obviously far more astute, immune to taking risks and them ever failing.

I'm sure they did. It's entirely possible in life to weigh things up and still reach the wrong decision. I married my ex-wife having followed such a process. That ended about as well as the Ferguson transfer did for Palace. And I will admit that my thinking wasn't very astute at the time, in spite of my best efforts and intentions.

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

There have been lots of players throughout the Premier league that have been massively injury prone that clubs have taken a chance on...and for far more than what Palace paid for this lad.

So the fact that other clubs have been as stupid as we were with Ferguston is somehow justification for our stupidity? Really? How many of those other dumb decisions worked out? I'd venture to guess almost none.

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

If you wanted to moan about players, at least Ferguson has a good excuse unlike Edouard who looks like he's in rewind when he plays.

I don't think I was moaning about the player. I was moaning about the people involved in the decision to buy him which is something entirely different.

Edited by sydtheeagle (28 Apr 2023 5.54pm)

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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PJEagle London 29 Apr 23 9.29am
Originally posted by sydtheeagle I don't think I was moaning about the player. I was moaning about the people involved in the decision to buy him which is something entirely different. Edited by sydtheeagle (28 Apr 2023 5.54pm) I think Parish and Freedman genuinely saw great potential, and bought him knowing there was a risk. It turned out what they got was a busted flush. C'est la vie. Really sorry for Ferguson. Not his fault.
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London 29 Apr 23 9.29am

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I don't think I was moaning about the player. I was moaning about the people involved in the decision to buy him which is something entirely different.

Edited by sydtheeagle (28 Apr 2023 5.54pm)

I think Parish and Freedman genuinely saw great potential, and bought him knowing there was a risk. It turned out what they got was a busted flush. C'est la vie. Really sorry for Ferguson. Not his fault.

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CpfcWeTrust1 29 Apr 23 3.25pm
Originally posted by sydtheeagle I don't think I was moaning about the player. I was moaning about the people involved in the decision to buy him which is something entirely different. Edited by sydtheeagle (28 Apr 2023 5.54pm) Same people made a decision to buy Guaita, Eze, Olise? Some decisions don't pay off and some do. His injury hasn't been the same injury throughout, it has been multiple different injuries you can't account for. They(cpfc) have medical staff which would assess the situation and give an opinion on it. Dougie doesn't just point at a player and go YES! he's the one... the 1 with 1 leg, he'll be fine... Hodgson and Vieira have stated his potential and talent... unfortunately he is injured a lot.
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29 Apr 23 3.25pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I don't think I was moaning about the player. I was moaning about the people involved in the decision to buy him which is something entirely different.

Edited by sydtheeagle (28 Apr 2023 5.54pm)

Same people made a decision to buy Guaita, Eze, Olise? Some decisions don't pay off and some do. His injury hasn't been the same injury throughout, it has been multiple different injuries you can't account for. They(cpfc) have medical staff which would assess the situation and give an opinion on it. Dougie doesn't just point at a player and go YES! he's the one... the 1 with 1 leg, he'll be fine...

Hodgson and Vieira have stated his potential and talent... unfortunately he is injured a lot.

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Eaglecoops CR3 29 Apr 23 4.22pm
Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1 Same people made a decision to buy Guaita, Eze, Olise? Some decisions don't pay off and some do. His injury hasn't been the same injury throughout, it has been multiple different injuries you can't account for. They(cpfc) have medical staff which would assess the situation and give an opinion on it. Dougie doesn't just point at a player and go YES! he's the one... the 1 with 1 leg, he'll be fine... Hodgson and Vieira have stated his potential and talent... unfortunately he is injured a lot. We bought a player with a history of injuries. It was a risky decision. It didn’t pay off and you can imagine he was probably on say £10-20k per week, so along with the compensation we paid he has probably cost us between £2m-£5m for zero return. Some would say that was worth the risk but in hindsight, it wasn’t.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 29 Apr 23 4.22pm

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

Hodgson and Vieira have stated his potential and talent... unfortunately he is injured a lot.

We bought a player with a history of injuries. It was a risky decision. It didn’t pay off and you can imagine he was probably on say £10-20k per week, so along with the compensation we paid he has probably cost us between £2m-£5m for zero return.

Some would say that was worth the risk but in hindsight, it wasn’t.

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DANGERCLOSE London 29 Jun 23 12.59pm
Crystal Palace have extended Nathan Ferguson’s contract by a year until 2024, despite the defender playing just eight minutes of first-team football in three years. Ferguson has been plagued by injuries since joining Palace from West Brom for £10million in 2020. But Palace believe the 22-year-old can finally overcome his injury nightmare. Ferguson has made just one substitute appearance for Palace after suffering major Achilles and hamstring issues.
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London 29 Jun 23 12.59pm

Crystal Palace have extended Nathan Ferguson’s contract by a year until 2024, despite the defender playing just eight minutes of first-team football in three years.

Ferguson has been plagued by injuries since joining Palace from West Brom for £10million in 2020.

But Palace believe the 22-year-old can finally overcome his injury nightmare.

Ferguson has made just one substitute appearance for Palace after suffering major Achilles and hamstring issues.

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