What bandwagon did I jump on?

JK Rowing should be able to say what she likes; she's a reasonable woman not hate filled as she is portrayed by some. Beyond activists and tweeting twits, I don't really see any indication that most trans types are particularly enraged by her outlook of wanting to ensure that the rights and safety of biological women aren't lost to the point of assuming someones sex based on their appearance is somehow laughably crime of the century.

On the flipside though, some people clearly have gender issues that mean they're never going to feel at home in their skin as their biological gender. Concerns about the age at which people can make such significant decisions at a young age are perfectly valid, but biological realities of that are that we're of course going to have Male-to-Female individuals who, with no offense meant, don't look particularly 'convincing'. They have the right to live a life, and indeed to take a sh!t. Common sense has to be applied though (as in, if someone looks like a male 'trucker' they likely are one). There is little to stop anyone entering any toilet if they plan on sexually assaulting others, so the idea that an eye of suspicion should be cast on people due to gender identity alone isn't any more reasonable than arbitrarily deciding that any random person is a sex offender in the making. Who someone behaving that way does or doesn't identify as is the least of our problems.

I do see this as being 'somewhat' contrived and media driven, because if a male to female who looked exactly like a female went into a womens toilet they would not be judged as a danger, (even if their biological sex was known). People would not imagine that they're perpetually on the verge of sexual assault. Should someone like Blaire White be forced to use a mens toilet for instance? There would likely be more danger in that, than using a womens loo. I'm not sure there are enough trans people that we look at this issue in a reasoned light, as we seem very keen on 'blaming them' for perverted behaviour that would happen regardless and rarely has anything to do with them at all anyway.

Just attempting to thread a needle on 'one of those' topics. A nod towards different positions and outlooks would seem to add some value. If of course that means much here nowadays.

Edited by BlueJay (07 Jan 2022 7.43pm)

It's a relevant point to raise, as I say what bathroom should someone like Blaire White use? Would it seem odd for her to go into the mens room? More sensible a womans? Perhaps people should have to effectively have to have some kind of medical confirmation based on their identity, appearance etc rather than 'self identifying'.

The obvious answer would I suppose be a unisex toilet that anyone can use. Who knows. Different perspectives help to reach conclusions. People like her don't exist solely to be mocked and shut away outside of whatever physical oh so traditional interest you might have with them. They may also occasionally also need to take a piss while out.

Edited by BlueJay (07 Jan 2022 8.09pm)

I haven't followed this thread, as I consider it all a bit silly, and just an opportunity for people to get onto their soap boxes and bang drums. Change happens. Society evolves. When things swing too far then they will swing back until a sensible position, acceptable to most, is found.

But for a moment let's assume that anyone was stupid enough to attempt what you suggest, who would likely attract so much attention they would spend time contemplating their stupidity at her Majesty's pleasure. I don't though for a moment dimmish the impact on any child witnessing such a disgusting act.

However, just for a moment consider the reverse situation, which is probably much more likely. Imagine someone who sincerely believes that, although born with male genitalia, they are psychologically female. They act, look and dress like a female. It's only part of their body which isn't.

Which toilet should they use? I can imagine your "Jane's" workmates being really understanding of them hitching their dress up to have a pee at a urinal.

Surely it's all about using common sense and judging on what people do, rather than trying to make hard and fast rules?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Sounds sensible enough. In tonnes of pubs and restaurant there are basically non descript individual toilets. Always have been.

Here here, absolutely bang on. If it looks like a bloke, has balls and a dick I don’t care what it says it is, it’s still a bloke and should not be allowed in womens dressing rooms or toilets. It’s obscene to think otherwise.