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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 21 4.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Nothing like making the best of the situation. We’re not going back so this brand of positivity could be better applied. How do you know we won't be going back? If, as seems very likely, the UK now breaks up, and England's economy in comparison with those parts of the UK that leave it and then join the EU, starts to decline, we may well negotiate a way back in. It would have to save face, and by then it would probably be into a reformed two speed EU, but it's very possible. When you are in a hole you stop digging and start searching for a ladder.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 21 4.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
But the question was - IF that was the direction of travel would you support it? With respect that was clearly no from the answer I gave.
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Helmet46 Croydon 04 May 21 4.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
So you think that the UK is the only European country with 'honest' covid statistics? Grow up and stop defending the indefensible. Here's some more facts for you to side step that explain why Germany has managed the pandemic so well compared to the UK. "The UK has 7.3 critical care beds per 100,000 people, compared to Germany's 33.8 and the US's 34.3, analysis found." It's the reason why Italy, France, Spain and Germany, the countries with comparable population sizes but no island status advantages when it comes to controlling international movements, have all lower covid death rates per million than the UK. They've all invested in their health systems over decades. Italy actually has a higher death rate per million than the UK as does Belgium. Accuracy is important. If you’re going to state things as “facts” then you should endeavour to make sure that they are correct. Edited by Helmet46 (04 May 2021 4.35pm)
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Orange1290 04 May 21 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Italy actually has a higher death rate per million than the UK as does Belgium. Accuracy is important. If you’re going to state things as “facts” then you should endeavour to make sure that they are correct. Edited by Helmet46 (04 May 2021 4.35pm) You're correct but it's marginal. However, Italy was the first country to be hit in Europe and combined with it's household demographic of multiple generations living together and 4 porous land borders, all factors that don't apply to the UK which has the advantage of being an island nation. Still, the health system capacities of many European countries hugely exceed those of the UK and have managed to mitigate the death toll.
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Spiderman Horsham 04 May 21 5.08pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The worst thing about brexit is leavers making totally false claims about 'mighty unions' 'huge trade deals' and financial benefits received from leaving which are just not true. If you left that's it but don't make up a load of false claims in justification. We have left, get over it
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Helmet46 Croydon 04 May 21 5.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
You're correct but it's marginal. However, Italy was the first country to be hit in Europe and combined with it's household demographic of multiple generations living together and 4 porous land borders, all factors that don't apply to the UK which has the advantage of being an island nation. Still, the health system capacities of many European countries hugely exceed those of the UK and have managed to mitigate the death toll.
Cant have it both ways.
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Spiderman Horsham 04 May 21 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How do you know we won't be going back? If, as seems very likely, the UK now breaks up, and England's economy in comparison with those parts of the UK that leave it and then join the EU, starts to decline, we may well negotiate a way back in. It would have to save face, and by then it would probably be into a reformed two speed EU, but it's very possible. When you are in a hole you stop digging and start searching for a ladder. Perhaps you should take your own advice! Scotland will never be allowed to join the EU, as things stand. You really think England’s economy will decline compared to Scotland? Jeez
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Spiderman Horsham 04 May 21 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
But the question was - IF that was the direction of travel would you support it? Of course he would
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Spiderman Horsham 04 May 21 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
You're correct but it's marginal. However, Italy was the first country to be hit in Europe and combined with it's household demographic of multiple generations living together and 4 porous land borders, all factors that don't apply to the UK which has the advantage of being an island nation. Still, the health system capacities of many European countries hugely exceed those of the UK and have managed to mitigate the death toll. You keep mentioning porous borders. That of course is correct but as I previously said, we should have closed our borders, do you agree? I doubt it as you travelled here during a pandemic. Edited by Spiderman (04 May 2021 5.17pm)
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Orange1290 04 May 21 5.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You keep mentioning porous borders. That of course is correct but as I previously said, we should have closed our borders, do you agree? I doubt it as you travelled here during a pandemic. Edited by Spiderman (04 May 2021 5.17pm)
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Teddy Eagle 04 May 21 5.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How do you know we won't be going back? If, as seems very likely, the UK now breaks up, and England's economy in comparison with those parts of the UK that leave it and then join the EU, starts to decline, we may well negotiate a way back in. It would have to save face, and by then it would probably be into a reformed two speed EU, but it's very possible. When you are in a hole you stop digging and start searching for a ladder. All of which presupposes the willingness of the EU to have us back. Just as likely is other EU members waiting to see how Brexit works out before deciding whether they should stay in themselves. They might not think the six weeks between us leaving and the pandemic is long enough to make that call.
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Helmet46 Croydon 04 May 21 6.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With respect that was clearly no from the answer I gave. So I think that the EU are looking to expand and an army is the next logical step. Ironically the claim levelled at those that voted leave was that they wanted a return to the days of the empire.
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