Problem is that given how the airline industry operates, along with the wider requirements of all kinds of elements of how international trade and relations functions, closing down of borders is a bloody huge step that has potentially massive ramification especially for a nation like the UK and the role especially Heathrow plays in how air travel pans out.

And most Covid came into the UK via Italy, Spain and France (or least that is how I understand it) in March (I caught it myself working at Gatwick during this period of time).

Smaller countries like New Zealand can isolate themselves. It is never an option for the UK. And if it ever does happen then we are well into potentially complete collapse territory.

The more effective tactic is far strictly enforced local lock-downs. And I mean total. But I suspect we simply lack the political will, and for many of the right reasons, for that to ever happen.

Oddly enough I suspect that is one area where the Left would potentially be far more willing to take decisive action. Far more in line with their political instincts than for those of us on the Right.

A Corbyn led government might have proved, in some circumstances, more willing to countenance far more stricter lock-down measures than a Conservative one. That idea of wielding top-down control sits far more easily with the Left than the Right.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

If she is still a Labour MP by this time tomorrow, Labour are truly f***ed. LOL.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

No. To win in England, Labour need to become more socially conservative, not less. That is the dilemma for them. Now they have lost the blind tribal loyalty in many northern seats, they need to actually win them back. Starmer has condemned the violence. The issue is why the hell this woman was allowed anywhere near a programme like this. Just bad, bad, bad press management.

Stupid Left-Wing MP's are not a new phenomena. But you don't let me within a million miles of programmes like this. Her appearance would have had to go through Labours Press office.

Its pretty basic stuff. If Police vans and stations are attacked by rioters, you condemn then if you are serious in any way about forming a new Government.

They have to withdraw the Whip from her. Today. Failure to do so means this just festers.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I can't see the Labour party becoming more socially conservative.....Hell, even the conservatives aren't socially conservative.

Still, I think not attacking Police vans hasn't that much to do with social conservatism.....it's just about not being a criminal.

You are of course correct about how Labour should take action (though I think a suspension personally - as this woman won an election). But really it's for the Labour party and there's a free speech issue as well.

I was just chewing the cud on Labour copying the Democrats on a 'wink wink' approach of using Antifa/Blm. I'm quite open to being wrong about it and maybe I am....call me a cynic I suppose.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

There are two things that could be done immediately as it is obvious, even the police admit, this is going to get much worse.

1. The police should be returned to their pre-covid duties.

2. The proposed bill should be ditched.

What's your thoughts on the policing bill out of interest? Seems to be a pretty worrying clampdown on free speech in parts.