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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Apr 20 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
To be fair, Matov said 'Socialism destroyed our Grammer school system purely for purposes of ideology'. He's right of course, it was for ideology. Socialism wants a purely comprehensive system, because it's obsessed with equality, which in its pure form is the opposite of meritocracy. I remain conflicted on this subject. For me, in most situations, meritocracy must always win. However, there are problems within social mobility systems that don't end up delivering any significant social mobility....they did far better at the start. I think a renewed grammar school system could work....but I wouldn't trust the left with them because the left are responsible for the state of education as it is. As far as I'm aware grammar schools like the one in Wisbech I went to still exist. And they have a certain amount of scholarships for those less able to afford fees don't they?
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Teddy Eagle  09 Apr 20 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
Oi, I used to be a PE teacher. Mind you, he's not far wrong (although I wish it hadn't been Woody Allen saying it....can we go with Dave Allen instead?). Anyway, there's a reason PE teachers didn't much like kids in general. It's because they spoiled what would otherwise have been a nice quiet life. You get a free pass from me. I’d rather be playing football or pirates in the gym than arsing around with a slide rule or avoiding getting jabbed with a compass in some endless lesson.
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Mapletree  Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
As far as I'm aware grammar schools like the one in Wisbech I went to still exist. And they have a certain amount of scholarships for those less able to afford fees don't they? There are 164 Grammar Schools in England They are State funded, you don't pay to send your child to them although they may 'request' some contribution.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Apr 20 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
As far as I'm aware grammar schools like the one in Wisbech I went to still exist. And they have a certain amount of scholarships for those less able to afford fees don't they? Yes, it still exists as we know the system exists. As for them helping the bright working class....come on, we know how this works. We have already seen in the thread how the term 'working class' can be redefined to mean whatever you want. Grammar schools became cheap private schools for the sharp elbowed. It was always going to happen. You need a committed ideology to keep them about social mobility. That said, as I say....I wouldn't trust them with the 'affirmative action' mob either. Perhaps the ideal of Grammar schools was always doomed to failure as the nature of society changed.
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Apologies, I asked Mr Google for assistance and he told me that Keir Starmer appears on the Independent Reigate Grammar School's Alumni, I therefore assumed that at some time he had attended the said establishment. Do keep up.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Apr 20 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
Oi, I used to be a PE teacher. Mind you, he's not far wrong (although I wish it hadn't been Woody Allen saying it....can we go with Dave Allen instead?). Anyway, there's a reason PE teachers didn't much like kids in general. It's because they spoiled what would otherwise have been a nice quiet life. 'Bullet Baxter'
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Attachment: | Mapletree Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You dont remember you bet with Matthew Kelly then. Did I teach you? It is actually possible.
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| Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 20 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Do keep up. ? Please explain. You accused me of not using facts, what is wrong with my above statement? I know you think I am pretty stupid but I honestly want to know what you mean
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| Stirlingsays 09 Apr 20 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
? Please explain. You accused me of not using facts, what is wrong with my above statement? I know you think I am pretty stupid but I honestly want to know what you mean I shouldn't imagine he has the time considering all those 15 hour shifts. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 4.51pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 20 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I shouldn't imagine he has the time considering all those 15 hour shifts. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 4.51pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
? Please explain. You accused me of not using facts, what is wrong with my above statement? I know you think I am pretty stupid but I honestly want to know what you mean He did not join when it was independent It is quite common for people to be an alumnus of an organisation of which they were never a part or which changed during their time there, I am an alumnus of two such organisations. Things move on. Edited by Mapletree (09 Apr 2020 5.16pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 20 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
He did not join when it was independent It is quite common for people to be an alumnus of an organisation of which they were never a part, I am an alumnus of two such organisations. Things move on. Did I say he joined when it was independent? I said he attended Reigate Independent Grammar, did he?
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