Point me in the direction of where in the leave campaign in 2016 it was stated we would leave in 2019 without first having an agreement with the EU over our future relationship in place.

What I remember is being told that such a deal was a piece of cake as the EU would fall over themselves to protect their exports to us.

Things change. When they do you need to react to change. You don't fight today's battles with yesterday's weapons.

Just moaning that's how we voted is a kids's response to a serious situation.

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A consensus of all women, all remain doesn't sound like unity.

You know what's going to happen, the usual suspects are going to increasingly foam at the mouth and go swivel eyed the closer we get to the 31st.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

That is so condescending.

"members of the House of Commons voted by 544 to 53 in favour, endorsing the principle of holding a referendum"

You can't argue they are here to "represent" us and then argue it's OK for them to ignore a decision they asked us to make for them in the first place? They clearly thought that this referendum was in our "best interests". Why else would they ask us to vote in a referendum other than to decide? Did it say "straw poll" anywhere?

To anyone voting, "leaving" clearly meant the single market, customs union , European court and any other mechanism that ties us to this anti democratic s*** show. This is because people who are actually paying attention realize that if we don't leave now that option will quickly disappear under the rapidly growing federalism. Basically, similar to the backstop the issue of a deal is secondary to leaving the EU and Remainer extremists are just using them as tools in order to try and find a way to revoke article 50 and probably start a civil war.

Look to Macron if you want to see the kind of democracy we are quickly turning into. People are waking up to this via alternative media and now want to be free. This has been labelled "populism" which is just a dog whistle for some kind of gateway drug to fascism which is the polar opposite of the truth.

They haven't though ignored the referendum vote have they? Despite many having personal misgivings, including Mrs May, they have tried to find a way to implement the decision. So far nothing has gained a majority, not as to whether we will leave but how we will leave without causing unnecessary disruption and damage.

That some feel the EU to be a "sh*t hole of "growing federalism" doesn't mean it is, or that everyone who voted to leave agrees with you.

I don't see any Remainer "extremists". I see many pragmatists who want to stop us harming ourselves unnecessarily. I am in favour of remaining within a reformed EU. I don't know anyone who voted to remain who thinks the EU is perfect and entirely headed in the right direction. Like me they believe we are though better off inside than not and that we can help steer the EU towards the kind of organisation it needs to be. If we rescue the UK from Brexit then the opportunities to achieve that are markedly better now than in 2016 for they too have stared into the abyss. In today's world we need to be a member of a big and powerful group, with coordinated standards and procedures. We are just too small to really make it on our own. The alternative is to link up with the USA and adopt their standards etc. Knowing both those standards as I do, there is just no comparison, so no choice. The EU is fact and science based. The USA is politically based. The EU is the future. The USA is yesterday. Remaining associated with the EU via a "deal" is the minimum we must accept.

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I just noticed the all female government of National Unity "Ms Lucas has invited to join her are Labour's shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, Conservative MP Justine Greening, and Plaid Cymru Westminster leader Liz Saville Roberts.

The others are: Heidi Allen, Kirsty Blackman, Yvette Cooper, Sylvia Hermon, and Anna Soubry. She has asked to meet the 10 women in the coming days."

And how many of this national government of unity are leavers? I notice she didn't ask Arlene Foster who is not an MP but did ask Sturgeon who isn't either.

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