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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 22 1.30pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest. After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI. So that's why, the truth must win out.
Unfortunately this happened on both sides of the conflict. All parties tend to downplay anything they did, whilst highlighting the deeds of the other. I don't think justice can be done for one side, yet not the other. I would generally believe that all the inquests and charges now are not helpful. If the gunmen are let go, then the rest have to be too. Otherwise we're at the typical one rule for one, one for another depending on the political views of the time. And both sides can offer the same arguments, obviously from different perspectives.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 1.36pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest. After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI. So that's why, the truth must win out.
Truth is often the forgotten victim. It's vitally important that everything comes out, however unpleasant. ASCPFC is correct in his summary. As the Unions used to say,.."One out, all out."
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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jan 22 1.57pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The catalyst for Bloody Sunday, the Ballymurphy massacre of innocent civilians including women and children crossing a field at the back of their homes, was unknown to us until the inquest. After 48 years the truth and the Army admitted its darkest day in NI. So that's why, the truth must win out.
Blair should have held a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for that. Anybody who appeared and told the truth would be immune from prosecution so only those who refused to appear or were caught lying would face justice. Instead Blair gave a one sided free pass to the terrorists which allows them to continue to persecute former members of the army and the police. Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 1.58pm)
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PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Jan 22 2.17pm | |
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This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever. but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ? the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 22 Jan 22 2.39pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever. but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ? the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders. I have a lot of Irish Republic family, and what appears to be largely a consensus amongst them and their acquaintances, is that they really don't care about "the North". They'd rather it was towed into the middle of the Atlantic and have nothing to do with it.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Jan 22 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I have a lot of Irish Republic family, and what appears to be largely a consensus amongst them and their acquaintances, is that they really don't care about "the North". They'd rather it was towed into the middle of the Atlantic and have nothing to do with it. i believe a 3 County Northern Ireland, 100% protestant, would have been a better solution in 1922. With financial incentives to get Catholics & Protestants to relocate as required. see map below istricts_of_Northern_Ireland_by_predominant_religion.png" target="_blank">[Link]
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 22 3.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Blair should have held a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for that. Anybody who appeared and told the truth would be immune from prosecution so only those who refused to appear or were caught lying would face justice. Instead Blair gave a one sided free pass to the terrorists which allows them to continue to persecute former members of the army and the police. Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 1.58pm) 100% Badger, that traitor bLIAR has thrown those serving forces at the time(Op Banner), under the bus.
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Stirlingsays 22 Jan 22 3.57pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
This Southern Irish Catholic Eagle believes that Ulster is British and it can stay British forever. but imagine if Bloody Sunday happened in Glasgow or Cardiff ? the British army opening fire on British citizens. And then the politicians throwing the soldiers under the bus for simply following orders. British politicians haven't stuck up for the British for decades....not since Thatcher.
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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 4.06pm | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
100% Badger, that traitor bLIAR has thrown those serving forces at the time(Op Banner), under the bus. 100% wrong. You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace. The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country. And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag. Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'. The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI. Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact. A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.
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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 22 4.10pm | |
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It's quite amazing that Blair could ever be criticised over NI. Why not Mrs Thatcher with her Anglo-Irish agreement? It excluded the unionists who were outraged and the result was practically civil war.
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Stirlingsays 22 Jan 22 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
100% wrong. You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace. The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country. And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag. Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'. The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI. Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact. A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.
The Tories were actually in contact with the IRA during Thatcher's time. And when you say Blair 'talked' to the IRA far nearer to the truth is that he capitulated to them. As previous posters have stated our troops have been betrayed.
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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jan 22 4.21pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
100% wrong. You must deal with reality to negotiate a peace. The other parties do not accept that they are terrorists, more likely that you are an occupier of their country. And in the case of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday what else would they do but flock to the republican flag. Blair provided the solution, he talked to the 'terrorists'. The result 20 years of peace and prosperity in NI. Tory governments prolonged the troubles for over 20 years they wore not even in contact. A further look at the troubles on iplayer will probably give you a quite different view of the pulp you were fed over NI.
A political solution is the only option for peace I don't criticise Blair or Major for that, talking to terrorists was the only solution. I do criticise Blair in that he pardoned terrorists in jail and those on the run whilst not providing the same for the army and police. Bad things were done by both sides and any settlement should have drawn a line for everybody, the way to do that would have been a truth commission. Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2022 4.22pm)
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