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Midlands Eagle 15 Mar 19 6.14am
Originally posted by chris123 So many artisan gins around these days, I was reading about an elephant dung based gin the other day. The problem is that the explosion of artisan gins doesn't mean that they are all nice and many of them are not. I have over 40 different bottles of gin and many of the I don't like at all and they tend to the ones made from unusual bases. I read about the elephant dung gin but none of the articles were written by anyone who has tasted it and I can't imagine it to taste nice. As this thread is supposed to be about smoking I'll have to wonder if anyone has included dog ends as one of their botanicals
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Originally posted by chris123

So many artisan gins around these days, I was reading about an elephant dung based gin the other day.

The problem is that the explosion of artisan gins doesn't mean that they are all nice and many of them are not. I have over 40 different bottles of gin and many of the I don't like at all and they tend to the ones made from unusual bases.

I read about the elephant dung gin but none of the articles were written by anyone who has tasted it and I can't imagine it to taste nice.

As this thread is supposed to be about smoking I'll have to wonder if anyone has included dog ends as one of their botanicals

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Teddy Eagle 15 Mar 19 7.39am
[quote=Midlands Eagle;3423247 As this thread is supposed to be about smoking I'll have to wonder if anyone has included dog ends as one of their botanicals _______________________________________________________ Pretty sure my mum managed to combine the two ingredients a few times. The Standard had a list of odd gin flavours including turkey, clotted cream, Yorkshire Tea, seaweed and ant. Can’t see what flavour ants would add but who knows? They might be delicious.
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15 Mar 19 7.39am

[quote=Midlands Eagle;3423247

As this thread is supposed to be about smoking I'll have to wonder if anyone has included dog ends as one of their botanicals

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Pretty sure my mum managed to combine the two ingredients a few times.
The Standard had a list of odd gin flavours including turkey, clotted cream, Yorkshire Tea, seaweed and ant. Can’t see what flavour ants would add but who knows? They might be delicious.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Mar 19 10.20am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [quote=Midlands Eagle;3423247 As this thread is supposed to be about smoking I'll have to wonder if anyone has included dog ends as one of their botanicals _______________________________________________________ Pretty sure my mum managed to combine the two ingredients a few times. The Standard had a list of odd gin flavours including turkey, clotted cream, Yorkshire Tea, seaweed and ant. Can’t see what flavour ants would add but who knows? They might be delicious. Years ago my dad said on a holiday abroad he ate chocalate ants. Some sort of acid in there bodies. Im sure one of you will know what is called.
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The garden of England 15 Mar 19 10.20am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

[quote=Midlands Eagle;3423247

As this thread is supposed to be about smoking I'll have to wonder if anyone has included dog ends as one of their botanicals

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Years ago my dad said on a holiday abroad he ate chocalate ants.
Some sort of acid in there bodies.
Im sure one of you will know what is called.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Mar 19 10.28am
Originally posted by dollardays Smoking does your health no favours even if it doesn't kill you, so I'm not sure of this idea that the majority of smokers breeze through inhaling smoke and poison unharmed like something out of a dream. "the risk of developing lung cancer is about 23 times higher in male smokers compared to non-smokers; smoking is associated with increased risk of at least 15 types of cancer" And that's cancer alone. I'm sure we all have family members with COPD and losing limbs due to messing up veins isn't even remotely rare. "A study of more than 200,000 people, published this week in BMC medicine, found about 67 percent of smokers perished from smoking-related illness." - [Link] 'we have a shelf life' 'when your numbers up'.. None of these cliches mean anything. It's simple to just say, 'I'm going to smoke because I want to and I'm addicted, and I'm willing to take any health implications on the chin and any misery or illness smoking brings my family due to me wiping out my own health is tough sh!t because smoking is my number one'. That's the reality for addicts of anything. That's 'getting real'. All of this dragging healthy people dying young into it or imagining yourself potentially getting stabbed or run over as reason why you should light up and abuse your own health is just cobbled together justification for a cr@p health choice. Addict mentally in full force. Edited by dollardays (15 Mar 2019 2.25am) Look i know how bad it is and know the dangers. Helps with stress though and as a non smoker you might not beleive that i get it. I dont smoke around non smokers. Giving up is in my mind its only what vape to get to try. Dont want to carry one of those liquid ones as theyre huge and too much smoke. Saw an advert for a vype which is much smaller. I may give it a go. I have seen though that ex smokers seem a lot more unforgiving than never smokers. Sort of i know best as ive done it mentality.
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The garden of England 15 Mar 19 10.28am

Originally posted by dollardays

Smoking does your health no favours even if it doesn't kill you, so I'm not sure of this idea that the majority of smokers breeze through inhaling smoke and poison unharmed like something out of a dream.

"the risk of developing lung cancer is about 23 times higher in male smokers compared to non-smokers; smoking is associated with increased risk of at least 15 types of cancer"

And that's cancer alone. I'm sure we all have family members with COPD and losing limbs due to messing up veins isn't even remotely rare.

"A study of more than 200,000 people, published this week in BMC medicine, found about 67 percent of smokers perished from smoking-related illness." - [Link]

'we have a shelf life' 'when your numbers up'.. None of these cliches mean anything.

It's simple to just say, 'I'm going to smoke because I want to and I'm addicted, and I'm willing to take any health implications on the chin and any misery or illness smoking brings my family due to me wiping out my own health is tough sh!t because smoking is my number one'.

That's the reality for addicts of anything. That's 'getting real'. All of this dragging healthy people dying young into it or imagining yourself potentially getting stabbed or run over as reason why you should light up and abuse your own health is just cobbled together justification for a cr@p health choice. Addict mentally in full force.

Edited by dollardays (15 Mar 2019 2.25am)

Look i know how bad it is and know the dangers.
Helps with stress though and as a non smoker you might not beleive that i get it.
I dont smoke around non smokers.
Giving up is in my mind its only what vape to get to try.
Dont want to carry one of those liquid ones as theyre huge and too much smoke.
Saw an advert for a vype which is much smaller.
I may give it a go.
I have seen though that ex smokers seem a lot more unforgiving than never smokers.
Sort of i know best as ive done it mentality.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 15 Mar 19 11.18am
Originally posted by dollardays Smoking does your health no favours even if it doesn't kill you, so I'm not sure of this idea that the majority of smokers breeze through inhaling smoke and poison unharmed like something out of a dream. "the risk of developing lung cancer is about 23 times higher in male smokers compared to non-smokers; smoking is associated with increased risk of at least 15 types of cancer" And that's cancer alone. I'm sure we all have family members with COPD and losing limbs due to messing up veins isn't even remotely rare. "A study of more than 200,000 people, published this week in BMC medicine, found about 67 percent of smokers perished from smoking-related illness." - [Link] 'we have a shelf life' 'when your numbers up'.. None of these cliches mean anything. It's simple to just say, 'I'm going to smoke because I want to and I'm addicted, and I'm willing to take any health implications on the chin and any misery or illness smoking brings my family due to me wiping out my own health is tough sh!t because smoking is my number one'. That's the reality for addicts of anything. That's 'getting real'. All of this dragging healthy people dying young into it or imagining yourself potentially getting stabbed or run over as reason why you should light up and abuse your own health is just cobbled together justification for a cr@p health choice. Addict mentally in full force. Edited by dollardays (15 Mar 2019 2.25am) Completely correct, the overall cost is utterly impossible to amount because there is no cut off point ..no dividing line, when somebody dies early through any illness brought on by self means it will effect the whole family set up, earnings, pensions etc and mental issues through struggling without a loved ones help and support is huge and cannot be amounted with money very accurately. If anything knowingly poisoning yourself especially today with all the understood information is very irresponsible because when illness strikes people always expect to be helped by the NHS or privately if affordable ..people are not fully aware of the need for more professional help with doctors and nurses and the enormous cost that that is, look at the mess now after the reduced police force and spending plans, Mrs May has just pumped huge amounts back in to try and fix the mess that she actually helped with ministers in reducing it although at the time the police stated very clearly that problems will arise, money folks and money is going to kill the NHS, especially now with stupid brexit, how the hell are we going to cope on our own!
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Cornwall 15 Mar 19 11.18am

Originally posted by dollardays

"the risk of developing lung cancer is about 23 times higher in male smokers compared to non-smokers; smoking is associated with increased risk of at least 15 types of cancer"

And that's cancer alone. I'm sure we all have family members with COPD and losing limbs due to messing up veins isn't even remotely rare.

"A study of more than 200,000 people, published this week in BMC medicine, found about 67 percent of smokers perished from smoking-related illness." - [Link]

'we have a shelf life' 'when your numbers up'.. None of these cliches mean anything.

Edited by dollardays (15 Mar 2019 2.25am)

Completely correct, the overall cost is utterly impossible to amount because there is no cut off point ..no dividing line, when somebody dies early through any illness brought on by self means it will effect the whole family set up, earnings, pensions etc and mental issues through struggling without a loved ones help and support is huge and cannot be amounted with money very accurately.

If anything knowingly poisoning yourself especially today with all the understood information is very irresponsible because when illness strikes people always expect to be helped by the NHS or privately if affordable ..people are not fully aware of the need for more professional help with doctors and nurses and the enormous cost that that is, look at the mess now after the reduced police force and spending plans, Mrs May has just pumped huge amounts back in to try and fix the mess that she actually helped with ministers in reducing it although at the time the police stated very clearly that problems will arise, money folks and money is going to kill the NHS, especially now with stupid brexit, how the hell are we going to cope on our own!

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Tickled pink Cornwall 15 Mar 19 11.27am
Originally posted by cryrst Look i know how bad it is and know the dangers. Helps with stress though and as a non smoker you might not beleive that i get it. I dont smoke around non smokers. Giving up is in my mind its only what vape to get to try. Dont want to carry one of those liquid ones as theyre huge and too much smoke. Saw an advert for a vype which is much smaller. I may give it a go. I have seen though that ex smokers seem a lot more unforgiving than never smokers. Sort of i know best as ive done it mentality. We are not talking you down or patronising you ..far from it, everyone is in a sinking boat and hopefully you will at some stage cut down and stop like I managed to do but, living is stress ..stress is living and coping with it is one the reasons we are writing on here.
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Cornwall 15 Mar 19 11.27am

Originally posted by cryrst

We are not talking you down or patronising you ..far from it, everyone is in a sinking boat and hopefully you will at some stage cut down and stop like I managed to do but, living is stress ..stress is living and coping with it is one the reasons we are writing on here.

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Invalid user 2019 15 Mar 19 11.57am
Originally posted by cryrst Look i know how bad it is and know the dangers. Helps with stress though and as a non smoker you might not beleive that i get it. I dont smoke around non smokers. Giving up is in my mind its only what vape to get to try. Dont want to carry one of those liquid ones as theyre huge and too much smoke. Saw an advert for a vype which is much smaller. I may give it a go. I have seen though that ex smokers seem a lot more unforgiving than never smokers. Sort of i know best as ive done it mentality. Once addicted the need for nicotine causes stress, which is then lessened when someone smokes. So it helps with stress caused by smoking in the first place. From what I've read vaping is the best way to quit, and it at least isn't smoking as such and cuts out a lot of the other chemicals present in cigarettes, so best of luck with it if that's the route you go!
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15 Mar 19 11.57am

Originally posted by cryrst

Once addicted the need for nicotine causes stress, which is then lessened when someone smokes. So it helps with stress caused by smoking in the first place.

From what I've read vaping is the best way to quit, and it at least isn't smoking as such and cuts out a lot of the other chemicals present in cigarettes, so best of luck with it if that's the route you go!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Mar 19 5.29pm
Originally posted by Palace_love_affair I packed in the fags over 3 years ago in favour of vaping. I appreciate there is no proof it is better/worse that cigs but with no tar or carbon monoxide, surely it can't be any worse (and far cheaper). Your point about being more addicted is a valid concern. I vape quite liberally now although my nicotine intake is still quite low. Next step is to drop to 0%. I will warn you it is addictive and very enjoyable, very easy to carry it with you and use all the time. If you do move to vaping, be a considerate one like me. I don't use it when close to others as the clouds are pretty anti social. I regularly see c*nts vaping with people right behind them, being totally clouded in vapour. Good luck Thanks for the post. I will have to give this vaping lark a try. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Mar 19 5.29pm

Originally posted by Palace_love_affair

I packed in the fags over 3 years ago in favour of vaping. I appreciate there is no proof it is better/worse that cigs but with no tar or carbon monoxide, surely it can't be any worse (and far cheaper).

Your point about being more addicted is a valid concern. I vape quite liberally now although my nicotine intake is still quite low. Next step is to drop to 0%.

I will warn you it is addictive and very enjoyable, very easy to carry it with you and use all the time.

If you do move to vaping, be a considerate one like me. I don't use it when close to others as the clouds are pretty anti social. I regularly see c*nts vaping with people right behind them, being totally clouded in vapour.

Good luck

Thanks for the post. I will have to give this vaping lark a try.

Red and Blue Army!

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Mar 19 8.09pm
Originally posted by cryrst How would you choose to go then. The majority of smokers don’t get these illnesses. It is more likely if youre going to get it but not a guarantee. Like I say what is a good way to go. Bus train stabbed shot Just laying in a bed with all your folks around you with jelly and ice cream, fun fair feelings. Heart attack in front of your family. I knew some fit and healthy people and they are dead 3 direct relatives and friends as well, basically when the big man up top drags your number out. You is gone mate. Think like that and hope it isn’t your number and live life don’t covert it as it’s not long enough to worry about. Morbid enough now.? Get real. We will all want one more breath but sadly we have a shelf life. We’ve all got it coming and nagging people to live to a 135 years old doesn’t cut it. I could get asbestosis with my apprenticeship on building sites. But no doubt it will be “ he smoked” And funnily enough I do like smoking, do no alcoholics like drinking then? This is not logic, it is self justification. If you want to shorten your life and hugely increase your chances of lung and heart disease, knock yourself out. You aren't my problem.
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Originally posted by cryrst

How would you choose to go then.
The majority of smokers don’t get these illnesses.
It is more likely if youre going to get it but not a guarantee.
Like I say what is a good way to go.
Bus train stabbed shot
Just laying in a bed with all your folks around you with jelly and ice cream, fun fair feelings.
Heart attack in front of your family.
I knew some fit and healthy people and they are dead
3 direct relatives and friends as well, basically when the big man up top drags your number out. You is gone mate.
Think like that and hope it isn’t your number and live life don’t covert it as it’s not long enough to worry about.
Morbid enough now.?
Get real.
We will all want one more breath but sadly we have a shelf life.
We’ve all got it coming and nagging people to live to a 135 years old doesn’t cut it.
I could get asbestosis with my apprenticeship on building sites.
But no doubt it will be “ he smoked”
And funnily enough I do like smoking, do no alcoholics like drinking then?

This is not logic, it is self justification.

If you want to shorten your life and hugely increase your chances of lung and heart disease,
knock yourself out.

You aren't my problem.

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Invalid user 2019 15 Mar 19 8.52pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Thanks for the post. I will have to give this vaping lark a try. It's a no lose gamble really so definitely worth exploring. Your health and your wallet will thank you.
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15 Mar 19 8.52pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Thanks for the post. I will have to give this vaping lark a try.

It's a no lose gamble really so definitely worth exploring. Your health and your wallet will thank you.

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Teddy Eagle 15 Mar 19 11.30pm
Genuine question. Why are so many people so concerned about the wellbeing of smokers? Why not warn gamblers or fast food customers or mountaineers? It’s not like we don’t know the potential danger so why keep on about it? Yes the NHS would apparently benefit but not as much as if alcohol was banned so why not issue health warnings to people who enjoy a drink. Who, by the way, are not all addicts.
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15 Mar 19 11.30pm

Genuine question. Why are so many people so concerned about the wellbeing of smokers? Why not warn gamblers or fast food customers or mountaineers? It’s not like we don’t know the potential danger so why keep on about it? Yes the NHS would apparently benefit but not as much as if alcohol was banned so why not issue health warnings to people who enjoy a drink. Who, by the way, are not all addicts.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 16 Mar 19 9.27am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Genuine question. Why are so many people so concerned about the wellbeing of smokers? Why not warn gamblers or fast food customers or mountaineers? It’s not like we don’t know the potential danger so why keep on about it? Yes the NHS would apparently benefit but not as much as if alcohol was banned so why not issue health warnings to people who enjoy a drink. Who, by the way, are not all addicts. I saw the word Smokers, so I clicked on it.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I saw the word Smokers, so I clicked on it.

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