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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 19 1.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Wow. So basically, what you are saying is that people can't present facts without being accused of being racists or extremists. They can't examine the root causes of terrible crimes because they shouldn't upset the apple cart of your idealist delusions about multi culture. You are also very flexible with your morals and judgment of people's characters depending on what colour they are and what politics they promote. Thanks for clarifying. That's another distortion of what I wrote. Of course you can present facts without being accused of being racist or extremist. I do, and I am not. What you cannot do is select what facts you present, ignore others and context, and then not be accused of being either racist or extremist if your selection demonstrates that you are. See the difference? What many people here, and those like Robinson, don't do is attempt to "examine the root causes of terrible crimes". They go only as deep as their prejudices permit them to go and never get to the roots, which are often buried very deep, out of sight and need specialist skills to unravel. I am totally consistent with my judgement of people having learned many years ago that it was unwise to make exceptions just because you might have sympathy because of some kind of perceived disadvantage. People can be good, bad or a bit of both from whatever their background. I try to remember that.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Feb 19 1.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's another distortion of what I wrote. Of course you can present facts without being accused of being racist or extremist. I do, and I am not. What you cannot do is select what facts you present, ignore others and context, and then not be accused of being either racist or extremist if your selection demonstrates that you are. See the difference? What many people here, and those like Robinson, don't do is attempt to "examine the root causes of terrible crimes". They go only as deep as their prejudices permit them to go and never get to the roots, which are often buried very deep, out of sight and need specialist skills to unravel. I am totally consistent with my judgement of people having learned many years ago that it was unwise to make exceptions just because you might have sympathy because of some kind of perceived disadvantage. People can be good, bad or a bit of both from whatever their background. I try to remember that. If Tommy Robinson is a 'racist' whatever that means, it doesn't make him wrong about everything. Irrespective of the Robinson circus, it is simply not good enough to ignore harsh realities because they don't sit well with one's 'woke' mentality. What facts have I presented that are selective? Let's get to the bottom of it. Enlighten Us. Be specific.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 19 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If Tommy Robinson is a 'racist' whatever that means, it doesn't make him wrong about everything. Irrespective of the Robinson circus, it is simply not good enough to ignore harsh realities because they don't sit well with one's 'woke' mentality. What facts have I presented that are selective? Let's get to the bottom of it. Enlighten Us. Be specific. Oh that Robinson is a gift to others is obvious. None more so than Farage who can now present himself as the reasonable face of the hard right. I have never suggested that the kind of things that Robinson says should be ignored, only that they need to be set in context, considered alongside other facts and that we need to trust the professionals we employ to handle these things for us. Of course we need to hold them to account and ask that they justify their approach but we ought never to disrupt their work by thinking we know better. If you want to understand why I believe the approach of many of the posters here tends to be closet racism and that facts are ignored, you just need to re-read my previous posts. There are examples there, if you care to look. No need for repetition.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Feb 19 2.47pm | |
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I'm just wondering how many people will be tarred with the racist paint brush when they proffer an opinion about the young ISIS girl wishing to return to the UK so her baby can be looked after (by the taxpayer).........
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Feb 19 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh that Robinson is a gift to others is obvious. None more so than Farage who can now present himself as the reasonable face of the hard right. I have never suggested that the kind of things that Robinson says should be ignored, only that they need to be set in context, considered alongside other facts and that we need to trust the professionals we employ to handle these things for us. Of course we need to hold them to account and ask that they justify their approach but we ought never to disrupt their work by thinking we know better. If you want to understand why I believe the approach of many of the posters here tends to be closet racism and that facts are ignored, you just need to re-read my previous posts. There are examples there, if you care to look. No need for repetition.
Let's take a staement you already made which has already been challenged by Stirling. Which part of 'pakistani rape gang' is inaccurate? Were they or were they not, in all the staggeringly large number of separate cases, almost all pakistani Muslim men? And while you are out of retirement, tell us the context in which you would like the excuse away the extraordinary rise in knife crime, shootings, and gang violence almost exclusively committed by Black youths and the recent spate of stabbings, bombings and one attempted storming of Parliament by Islamists. Is it all those nasty racists fault? While we are at it. what exactly is a racist by your definition?
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Pussay Patrol 14 Feb 19 2.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
I'm just wondering how many people will be tarred with the racist paint brush when they proffer an opinion about the young ISIS girl wishing to return to the UK so her baby can be looked after (by the taxpayer)......... How does that affect you personally?
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Feb 19 2.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
How does that affect you personally? Personally? It probably doesn't. Next question.
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W12 14 Feb 19 3.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
we need to trust the professionals we employ to handle these things for us
The point is they are all our institutions right up to and including the house of lords and the monarchy are compromised by the same left wing ideology as you. They will never address any of these problems directly unless they change course and allow true free speech. You wonder why this is such a hot topic on forums like this but nobody dare express anything that might be even remotely *interpreted* asracist/sexist/Islamophobic etc in the real world. It's now taboo, a non-discussion and it's mass censorship. People are even getting knocks on the door by the Police for saying the wrong thing (I think they now call it non-criminal hate speech). In a world where people have their own "truth", nothing is objective and everything is relative and malleable (even gender) then everything can be explained by ideology. You are basically arguing that peoples right to be offended trumps all others and people do not have the agency to think for themselves (it's dangerous so let the state do it for us). It's madness and it also plays into the hands of extremists on both sides.
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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 19 3.41pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
The point is they are all our institutions right up to and including the house of lords and the monarchy are compromised by the same left wing ideology as you. They will never address any of these problems directly unless they change course and allow true free speech. You wonder why this is such a hot topic on forums like this but nobody dare express anything that might be even remotely *interpreted* asracist/sexist/Islamophobic etc in the real world. It's now taboo, a non-discussion and it's mass censorship. People are even getting knocks on the door by the Police for saying the wrong thing (I think they now call it non-criminal hate speech). In a world where people have their own "truth", nothing is objective and everything is relative and malleable (even gender) then everything can be explained by ideology. You are basically arguing that peoples right to be offended trumps all others and people do not have the agency to think for themselves (it's dangerous so let the state do it for us). It's madness and it also plays into the hands of extremists on both sides. Seconded.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 19 3.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Let's take a staement you already made which has already been challenged by Stirling. Which part of 'pakistani rape gang' is inaccurate? Were they or were they not, in all the staggeringly large number of separate cases, almost all pakistani Muslim men? And while you are out of retirement, tell us the context in which you would like the excuse away the extraordinary rise in knife crime, shootings, and gang violence almost exclusively committed by Black youths and the recent spate of stabbings, bombings and one attempted storming of Parliament by Islamists. Is it all those nasty racists fault? While we are at it. what exactly is a racist by your definition?
I asked you to re-read my comments because I have already answered this point, at some length so you have no excuses for missing it. To describe any criminal group by their racial origin is, almost by definition, racist. It suggests that all pakistanis are group rapists. Now I guess you will be in denial of that because you won't see it in the same way but for many it really does suggest that and, most importantly, it will to the whole pakistani community who will feel ostracised and marginalised when the objective must be the absolute opposite. Exactly the same considerations apply to the knife crime and terrorism. Crimes are committed by people and not by the colour of their skins. Condemn the sin and not the ethnicity of the sinner. We need to separate evil from things that aren't evil. Being pakistani and/or Muslim, Black or White, or anything else, is not evil and to suggest otherwise is racist.
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ChrisGC Wantage 14 Feb 19 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The most active retiree in history is back! Lol
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ChrisGC Wantage 14 Feb 19 4.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I asked you to re-read my comments because I have already answered this point, at some length so you have no excuses for missing it. Exactly the same considerations apply to the knife crime and terrorism. Crimes are committed by people and not by the colour of their skins. Condemn the sin and not the ethnicity of the sinner. We need to separate evil from things that aren't evil. Being pakistani and/or Muslim, Black or White, or anything else, is not evil and to suggest otherwise is racist. First bold: he's got a fantastic excuse, like the rest of us he didn't bother to read your essay. Second bold: absolute tripe. If a pakistani or black or white person attacked you, you would immediately describe them as such to old bill on the phone. It is not racist to accurately describe something. "What did the offender look like?" "A person". Just isn't going to yield results, is it? Virtue signalling on another level.
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