I give up.

I think this is why there are so many ex-mods.

Where in living memory? This ridiculous apologising and revising the history of the past is all the rage - whether true or not. It's like a rush to say how bad 'we' were. Believe me, nearly every other country has done worse, yet they spend no time worrying about it. This actually plays into the hands of the 'white man's burden' narrative.

Red and Blue Army!

I'm not apologising for, or revising anything. Your right, we're not the worst and it could be argued that there is not a major European power that has not engaged in Genocide under the current U.N. convention. Then there's the Japanese, the Chinese, the Turks, the Austrailians, the Americans, etc, etc.

Belgium for instance massacred an estimated 10 Million Congolise Africans over a forty year period and chopped off the hands, feet and gentials of many more.

The Germans, well we all know what they did in the 1940's but no one really knows or cares about what they did in Namibia. 75 percent of the entire population. Some historians put it as high as 90 percent. Can you imagine, a whole country.. The French and the Italians also have their own crosses to bare.

There are no memorials or plaques. Even that would be something. Isn't that the argument for remembering the Holocaust and the reason that in every European country there is a memoral to the Jews that were killed. "Lest we forget"..

The truth is we forget too easily and history repeats. On top of that we are selective when we do remember. The Germans are not an evil people and yet, the Nazi's appeared. In the right circumstances, people and even nations are capable of the most inhuman acts. There is a saying, "He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities". If you forget what you did before you repeat it.

There is an argument that says, well that was then and this is now and I get that. I don't necessarily agree with that but I think it's a point of view that could sensibly be made but for me, what's worse is not even acknowledging what did happen.

In answer to your first question, the answer is Kenya. Every part I highlighted in the previous post, in regards to the U.N. Definition of Genocide applies to our activity in Kenya.

Again, are we the worst, not by any stretch and despite our sometimes shady history, few countries on earth have had a bigger influence on the world we live in today but the revision of history is in the "forgetting" or "ignoring", not the in acknowledgement of crimes past. Recoqnising past mistakes is a freeing process and helps to move away from guilt and shame, that is why it is important.

I know it is difficult for some people to accept, because, it's a difficult and complicated history we have, however, if a country or a person for that matter, does not acknowledge where they are coming from, with honesty, then they will always be confused as to who they are, what they stand for and what they hope to achieve.

There is another point and that is whether or not one conciders the U.N. definition to be what Genocide actually is. It is a legal definition but some may not agree with it.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

No, what I am saying is that, what has happened in the past has happened. It can be denied or just ignored, or it can be learnt from so that it is not repeated.

There are those that are fighting in various courts, just to get what happened to them recoqnised.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

As long as you could hear them coming, you'd be ok.... just like the V2's

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