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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 18 4.35pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC As I said, I wouldn't really want the US version of free speech where radical right wing or left wing, or single issue protesters can provoke people they perceive as incorrect in some way with impunity. In the UK that would mean radicals, including Islamists, anti-islam protestors, fascists, communists or whoever could march with whatever banners they see fit. As you can imagine, trouble would inevitably ensue. I'm fairly sure I understand what you mean when you suggest the people in charge are radical. I would see governments as popularist rather than radical. May's government certainly not radical enough for some people sometimes: ie Brexit, yet too radical for some at other times: ie Brexit, although this would not be the only divisive issue, of course. All of those groups do still march in this country so I'm not sure you even really know what the current state of play is. As for the left and Islamists, they have been seen waving extreme banners and flags in the UK. I'm not for the banning of marches. I certainly don't agree with your view of free speech and essentially you seem to be suggesting that you prefer the status quo where thousands of people have recently been arrested in this country for what is essentially free expression that has 'offended'. Expression that happened before these 'hate speech' laws were introduced. Remember any riots happening because of free expression then do you? Tensions are inevitable due to demographic shift. Arresting people for mean tweets won't make a blind bit of difference......except convince more and more people that freedom is done in this country. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 4.40pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 18 4.35pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

As I said, I wouldn't really want the US version of free speech where radical right wing or left wing, or single issue protesters can provoke people they perceive as incorrect in some way with impunity.
In the UK that would mean radicals, including Islamists, anti-islam protestors, fascists, communists or whoever could march with whatever banners they see fit. As you can imagine, trouble would inevitably ensue.
I'm fairly sure I understand what you mean when you suggest the people in charge are radical. I would see governments as popularist rather than radical. May's government certainly not radical enough for some people sometimes: ie Brexit, yet too radical for some at other times: ie Brexit, although this would not be the only divisive issue, of course.

All of those groups do still march in this country so I'm not sure you even really know what the current state of play is. As for the left and Islamists, they have been seen waving extreme banners and flags in the UK. I'm not for the banning of marches.

I certainly don't agree with your view of free speech and essentially you seem to be suggesting that you prefer the status quo where thousands of people have recently been arrested in this country for what is essentially free expression that has 'offended'.

Expression that happened before these 'hate speech' laws were introduced.

Remember any riots happening because of free expression then do you?

Tensions are inevitable due to demographic shift. Arresting people for mean tweets won't make a blind bit of difference......except convince more and more people that freedom is done in this country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 4.40pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 18 7.51pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays All of those groups do still march in this country so I'm not sure you even really know what the current state of play is. As for the left and Islamists, they have been seen waving extreme banners and flags in the UK. I'm not for the banning of marches. I certainly don't agree with your view of free speech and essentially you seem to be suggesting that you prefer the status quo where thousands of people have recently been arrested in this country for what is essentially free expression that has 'offended'. Expression that happened before these 'hate speech' laws were introduced. Remember any riots happening because of free expression then do you? Tensions are inevitable due to demographic shift. Arresting people for mean tweets won't make a blind bit of difference......except convince more and more people that freedom is done in this country. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 4.40pm) I will say that I believe a line can be crossed with freedom of expression; inciting violence against one group or another for example. I would believe that riots can be avoided by stopping certain forms of expression. I would prefer violence to be averted and I hope the police would too. I can understand people's frustration at finding it hard to talk out on certain issues without being labelled as something like far-right, fascist, misogynist, Nazi, Islamophobe etc. I didn't know there had been thousands of arrests under these laws recently. Nowhere did I say that violence in the past has been caused by freedom of expression, although state sponsored violence no doubt has. As for Muslim groups with extremist slogans or flags - I hope the law deals with them appropriately but can imagine the Police facing political intervention. In the main, I agree with your opinion, my main point has been to say there has never been a gauranteed freedom of speech in the UK and that I wouldn't want the US style Constitution, personally. Maybe you would? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 18 7.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Expression that happened before these 'hate speech' laws were introduced.

Remember any riots happening because of free expression then do you?

Tensions are inevitable due to demographic shift. Arresting people for mean tweets won't make a blind bit of difference......except convince more and more people that freedom is done in this country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 4.40pm)

I will say that I believe a line can be crossed with freedom of expression; inciting violence against one group or another for example. I would believe that riots can be avoided by stopping certain forms of expression. I would prefer violence to be averted and I hope the police would too.

I can understand people's frustration at finding it hard to talk out on certain issues without being labelled as something like far-right, fascist, misogynist, Nazi, Islamophobe etc.

I didn't know there had been thousands of arrests under these laws recently. Nowhere did I say that violence in the past has been caused by freedom of expression, although state sponsored violence no doubt has.
As for Muslim groups with extremist slogans or flags - I hope the law deals with them appropriately but can imagine the Police facing political intervention.

In the main, I agree with your opinion, my main point has been to say there has never been a gauranteed freedom of speech in the UK and that I wouldn't want the US style Constitution, personally. Maybe you would?

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 18 7.59pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC In the main, I agree with your opinion, my main point has been to say there has never been a gauranteed freedom of speech in the UK and that I wouldn't want the US style Constitution, personally. Maybe you would? I must admit personally I'm starting to see the sense of a codified constitution now. But I respect your view. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 18 7.59pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

In the main, I agree with your opinion, my main point has been to say there has never been a gauranteed freedom of speech in the UK and that I wouldn't want the US style Constitution, personally. Maybe you would?

I must admit personally I'm starting to see the sense of a codified constitution now.

But I respect your view.

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 18 11.02pm
Raheem just posted on twitter: right wingers v left wingers during the Trump marches Attachment: rvl.JPG (54.76Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 18 11.02pm

Raheem just posted on twitter:

right wingers v left wingers during the Trump marches

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 11.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Raheem just posted on twitter: right wingers v left wingers during the Trump marches He even stuck the right wing pic on the right. Clever. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 11.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Raheem just posted on twitter:

right wingers v left wingers during the Trump marches

He even stuck the right wing pic on the right. Clever.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 15 Jul 18 11.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Raheem just posted on twitter: right wingers v left wingers during the Trump marches Wow! Those on the right in that pic are embarrassing! Are the "far right"? Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Stoke sub normal 15 Jul 18 11.23pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Raheem just posted on twitter:

right wingers v left wingers during the Trump marches

Wow!

Those on the right in that pic are embarrassing!

Are the "far right"?

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 18 12.21am
At some point next year I'll be having a pint in that Trump Arms. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jul 18 12.21am

At some point next year I'll be having a pint in that Trump Arms.

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Lyons550 Shirley 16 Jul 18 3.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Fair enough.....if it's an honest misinterpretation then cool. As for being called 'slimy'. I like reading your views on here. I obviously differ with a lot of them but that's a different thing. I'm a strong believer in people not existing just within their own bubbles.....it's intellectually healthy. But when we partake in this ideological mesh it's going to get bumpy from time to time, especially if we get our wires crossed. As long as we keep it clean then it's a vent that prevents far worse exchanges. I don't think you're slimy....was it amusing?...yes....Could you be creative back? I'm sure you could. We can all play within the rules. It's just a political forum on a football site at the end of the day. Slimy Fascist The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 16 Jul 18 3.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Fair enough.....if it's an honest misinterpretation then cool.

As for being called 'slimy'.

I like reading your views on here. I obviously differ with a lot of them but that's a different thing. I'm a strong believer in people not existing just within their own bubbles.....it's intellectually healthy.

But when we partake in this ideological mesh it's going to get bumpy from time to time, especially if we get our wires crossed. As long as we keep it clean then it's a vent that prevents far worse exchanges.

I don't think you're slimy....was it amusing?...yes....Could you be creative back? I'm sure you could. We can all play within the rules.

It's just a political forum on a football site at the end of the day.

Slimy Fascist

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 18 3.46pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Slimy Fascist Especially in this heat. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jul 18 3.46pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Slimy Fascist

Especially in this heat.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jul 18 10.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'Free speech' isn't literal. However, it was set as low as possible. Incitement to violence Provable slander Obscenity Blair changed this and the 'hate speech' nonsense started. A law that contradicts in many ways existing freedom laws and becomes entirely about 'random perception' The modern day conservatives have betrayed their traditions in continuing this complete mess. Is there moderation anymore on this site? Crazy posts on this thread. @SS, Was not a hate speech law pitched as a against certain mullahs? Are you conflating it with anti racism legislation which included certain religious groups like Jews under its protection? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jul 18 10.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Free speech' isn't literal.

However, it was set as low as possible.

Incitement to violence
Provable slander
Obscenity

Blair changed this and the 'hate speech' nonsense started. A law that contradicts in many ways existing freedom laws and becomes entirely about 'random perception' The modern day conservatives have betrayed their traditions in continuing this complete mess.

Is there moderation anymore on this site? Crazy posts on this thread.

@SS, Was not a hate speech law pitched as a against certain mullahs? Are you conflating it with anti racism legislation which included certain religious groups like Jews under its protection?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 17 Jul 18 10.28pm
Originally posted by pefwin Is there moderation anymore on this site? Crazy posts on this thread. @SS, Was not a hate speech law pitched as a against certain mullahs? Are you conflating it with anti racism legislation which included certain religious groups like Jews under its protection? What posts? If you like censorship stop posting here and go to the bbs. There you can have all the circle jerkery you desire. I'm referring to all the 'hate speech' laws introduced by Blair and maintained by the Tories. How is it conflating when I'm referring to all of them. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Jul 18 10.28pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Is there moderation anymore on this site? Crazy posts on this thread.

@SS, Was not a hate speech law pitched as a against certain mullahs? Are you conflating it with anti racism legislation which included certain religious groups like Jews under its protection?

What posts? If you like censorship stop posting here and go to the bbs. There you can have all the circle jerkery you desire.

I'm referring to all the 'hate speech' laws introduced by Blair and maintained by the Tories. How is it conflating when I'm referring to all of them.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jul 18 10.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What posts? If you like censorship stop posting here and go to the bbs. There you can have all the circle jerkery you desire. I'm referring to all the 'hate speech' laws introduced by Blair and maintained by the Tories. How is it conflating when I'm referring to all of them. Go to the BBs typical, righty censorship next I could go to the Gulag. Right wing beta niavity is rampant, you whitey snowflakes feeling put upon; should get your cocks out of each others arses. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jul 18 10.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What posts? If you like censorship stop posting here and go to the bbs. There you can have all the circle jerkery you desire.

I'm referring to all the 'hate speech' laws introduced by Blair and maintained by the Tories. How is it conflating when I'm referring to all of them.

Go to the BBs typical, righty censorship next I could go to the Gulag.

Right wing beta niavity is rampant, you whitey snowflakes feeling put upon; should get your cocks out of each others arses.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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