No it isn't. Under the very president you mention, israeli soldiers were clearing settlers out of the occupied territories. Do I really need to say what has happenedvunder trump.

Through gritted teeth Israel behaves better under democrats but when republicans are in situ all he'll breaks loose.

All hell breaks loose? That's been happening under every POTUS.

Two years ago, when the US let an anti-settlement resolution pass at UN Security Council, US Ambassador Samantha Power said it was: "fully in line with the bipartisan history" of how US presidents have approached the issue for decades. Essentially they've all backed Israel as a state but have generally been critical of its new settlements.

You claimed "all Republican governments are so pro-Israel".

Truman (Democrat) helped create Israel.

Eisenhower (Republican) threatened to withhold more than 100 million dollars in annual US aid if they didn't withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula.

Kennedy (Democrat) was the first POTUS to describe the US Israeli alliance as a 'special relationship' and also set up military ties.

Johnson (Democrat) increased the US military spend to Israel, sold offensive arms for the first time. He didn't tell Israel to return land it acquired after the Six Day War.

Carter (Democrat) Was a supporter of Israel while in office, though he back-tracked afterwards.

Reagan (Republican) told the Israelis get out of Lebanon.

H W Bush (Republican) was strongly opposed to Israel’s settlement building in the West Bank and Gaza but did admit to co-towing to the Jewish lobby.

Clinton (Democrat) as I said above, passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act recognising Israel's capital. His administration was the first to refuse to condemn the construction of illegal Israeli settlements in Arab East Jerusalem.

Bush (Republican) failed to move the US embassy to Jerusalem. He also demanded Israel end occupation of Arab lands.

Obama (Democrat) also recognised Jerusalem as the capital and signed a multi-billion dollar aid programme.

US Jews contribute half of all donations to the Democrats, while it's just 25% to the Republicans. Over 70% of US Jews vote Democrat too.

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Nov 2018 12.52am)

Of course I asked the question answered yours but I can't say that you have not answered mine. How progressive.

You stance on the UK and Isreal's right to land are currently very "popular" in the extremme right, but illogical for a reasoning point of view.

BTW, no race is stupid.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

The Jews aren't a race....nothing you can convert to is a race. The people who push the 'jews are a race' do so mostly on ideological grounds so they can partake in grievance and identity politics. Having said that there is a small subset of Jews who have a similar genetic grouping..if we only referred to them and no one else as Jewish then there would be some accuracy.....but that's not what we mean when we say Jews....when we refer to the Jewish people we include within them a massive group which contains a large variance in genetics......Mostly a mixture of European and middle eastern genes which includes small African and Asian subsections.

To answer your point about races and IQ. Some group's IQ averages are higher than others....that's a scientific fact. The relevant success of different groups also correlates to group IQ.....It's another scientific fact that IQ is the largest single contributor to an individual's success....not the only one for sure, but the single largest factor.

What's more accurate to say is that no one individual's intelligence is defined by their genetic group. Averages over populations are just that.

Also I'd say that I don't regard an individual's intelligence as the most important aspect about them. While it's a very important aspect to a nation's economic success (and IQ scores should be apart of non EU immigration entry into the country).....when it comes down to it....the character of an individual is more important.

When you are in the trenches and that whistle is blown, differences in IQ matter far less than the knowledge that you can rely on the guy next to you when the chips are down. That cohesion is very important for any society....without it you have internal balkanization....which is what has happened and what will continue to deepen.

Taking it back to Israel......what's your view then? What should Israel do? Do you seriously think them pursuing a two state solution makes long term sense? Look at how the Jews are treated in the middle east.....if they make nice it won't make any difference, they will never be accepted.

As for extreme right....well I may be to you....but I think that's because you don't really know the views of the extreme right.

That's a problem with many on the progressive side, they quickly run out of words for their ideological opponents because the find it difficult to correctly identify the differences between them.

In other words they all look the same to you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Nov 2018 8.45am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I thought I'd made it plain.

Might is right.....all land was won in blood....fairness is for the soft minded subjectively self deluded. There is a winner and there is a loser....that's the real reality.

The Arabs fought Israel several times to regain the land.....They lost.

But ethically the creation of Israel disinherited a people from their land. I don't support that....but it isn't my fight.....and being a European and western I have cause to favour Israel.

So I have mixed feelings.....why is this difficult for you to understand?

Lazy....or you just can't.

I wouldn't be so sure...metaphorically at least. It's unlikely that I'll have to fight but it's quite likely that my children will or theirs....that or flee.

The future for certain groups is less bright than it is for others.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2018 12.21pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)