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 stuckinbristol  In the woodwork. 25 Nov 17 5.38pm |
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Nov 17 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by npn
Thanks for that - just watched it, but still seems inconclusive. She rides very aggressively after the event (towards the end of the footage) but whether that's due to the earlier stuff is hard to tell. Both groups seem unnecessarily aggressive (though, given it was supposedly a drag hunt, I do understand why the riders would be p*ssed off that people would go out of their way to disrupt a perfectly legal and moral event). Having said that, I don't know whether there is a history of this particular hunt targeting foxes illegally under the cover of drag hunting? From my watching of the video it seemed pretty clear that this daft woman did indeed ride her horse at the sabs on more than one occasion. In the end the sab grabbed a rein and in my opinion probably had little choice. The horse was clearly being used as a weapon. Which is why I changed my views from my first post, turns out that the huntswoman was fully in the wrong and put her very expensive looking horse in jeopardy. Put the sabs into greater jeopardy mind. I would think the Police could mount a good case against her, they shouldn't rein themselves in, she should get saddled with a fine as the mane offender. Edited by Mapletree (25 Nov 2017 6.02pm)
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 25 Nov 17 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
From my watching of the video it seemed pretty clear that this daft woman did indeed ride her horse at the sabs on more than one occasion. In the end the sab grabbed a rein and in my opinion probably had little choice. The horse was clearly being used as a weapon. Which is why I changed my views from my first post, turns out that the huntswoman was fully in the wrong and put her very expensive looking horse in jeopardy. Put the sabs into greater jeopardy mind. I would think the Police could mount a good case against her, they shouldn't rein themselves in, she should get saddled with a fine as the mane offender. Edited by Mapletree (25 Nov 2017 6.02pm)
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Nov 17 7.26am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
From my watching of the video it seemed pretty clear that this daft woman did indeed ride her horse at the sabs on more than one occasion. In the end the sab grabbed a rein and in my opinion probably had little choice. The horse was clearly being used as a weapon. she should get saddled with a fine as the mane offender. :groan:
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 26 Nov 17 8.22am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The whole video shows the woman chasing the saboteur on her horse. Seems he was hanging on to protect himself. ive been told by people who go on the hunt themselves that the change in law made no difference whatsoever and they still hunt the same old way.
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| Stuk Top half 27 Nov 17 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by Oliver
Trespass is a civil offence. Aggravated Trespass is a criminal offence. To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity Not in this case, if you read my post that you've quoted.
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| Stuk Top half 27 Nov 17 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
From my watching of the video it seemed pretty clear that this daft woman did indeed ride her horse at the sabs on more than one occasion. In the end the sab grabbed a rein and in my opinion probably had little choice. The horse was clearly being used as a weapon. Which is why I changed my views from my first post, turns out that the huntswoman was fully in the wrong and put her very expensive looking horse in jeopardy. Put the sabs into greater jeopardy mind. I would think the Police could mount a good case against her, they shouldn't rein themselves in, she should get saddled with a fine as the mane offender. Edited by Mapletree (25 Nov 2017 6.02pm) Not really. No trespassing in the first place would've meant no incident at all. Could've been worse, they could try and illegally interrupt a shoot next time.
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| Oliver Bodega Bay 27 Nov 17 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Not in this case, if you read my post that you've quoted. Yes it is the case The examples you quoted fall into the category of aggravated trespass which was created under the The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 part iv. Trespass is a civil offence. Aggravated Trespass is a criminal offence. To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity
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| Stuk Top half 27 Nov 17 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by Oliver
Yes it is the case The examples you quoted fall into the category of aggravated trespass which was created under the The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 part iv. Trespass is a civil offence. Aggravated Trespass is a criminal offence. To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity I know this and they were. Pay attention to the bit in bold if you're confused. What is your point?
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 27 Nov 17 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Oliver
Yes it is the case The examples you quoted fall into the category of aggravated trespass which was created under the The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 part iv. Trespass is a civil offence. Aggravated Trespass is a criminal offence. To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity Are you allowed to trespass if you want to make a citizens arrest? If said hunters were looking to pull a fast one over plod, and pretend to be drag hunting while trying to butcher a real fox, a citizens arrest would be an appropiate response, and plod would come and congratulate the brave sab surely?
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| Oliver Bodega Bay 28 Nov 17 5.38am |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I know this and they were. Pay attention to the bit in bold if you're confused. What is your point? To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity
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| Harry Beever Newbury 28 Nov 17 6.49am |
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Originally posted by Oliver
To be convicted of aggravated Trespass you must be preventing someone carrying out lawful activity And do you know that they were carrying out an unlawful activity? Don’t know why they bothered doing what they did. They should have either banned it completely or not bothered at all. The current fudge just keeps both sides of the argument unhappy and leaves everything as a grey murky mess that is impossible to police.
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