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CockneyRebel West Harrison,NY. 21 Nov 17 6.27pm
A two game ban is not enough to stamp out this cheating way that now, more then ever, seems to be the way teams are being told by their Managers/coaches to play,if they can see that the only way to play, win, or draw, is to cheat... Of course people will say that my view is because I am a sore loser... Just a pity, that this happens to relate to our game on Saturday,but, I very strongly feel that the league should have the power to not only disallow any goal that results from that incident, as well as a 3 game ban for the player, AND, a financial punishment for manager/coaches of that club.. Harsh, you think? not at all, THAT, will make managers/coaches except responsibility for what they teach/train there players to do.. We keep going on at the officials..rightly so in many cases.. but, that incident on Saturday is one of soooooooooo many, not only for us, but other teams as well.. I am not trying to get them off the hook at all, but when you have a player like this who has the damn balls to laugh later in the game when he did something else that he got away with, we have to realize that they, the officials are human.. and they need our help in stamping this out once and for all.. Here since 81...(LAST CENTURY !!).. x-Dunraven School, early 1960.... Palace 'nut' since 58....
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West Harrison,NY. 21 Nov 17 6.27pm

A two game ban is not enough to stamp out this cheating way that now, more then ever, seems to be the way teams are being told by their Managers/coaches to play,if they can see that the only way to play, win, or draw, is to cheat...

Of course people will say that my view is because I am a sore loser... Just a pity, that this happens to relate to our game on Saturday,but, I very strongly feel that the league should have the power to not only disallow any goal that results from that incident, as well as a 3 game ban for the player, AND, a financial punishment for manager/coaches of that club..

Harsh, you think? not at all, THAT, will make managers/coaches except responsibility for what they teach/train there players to do..

We keep going on at the officials..rightly so in many cases.. but, that incident on Saturday is one of soooooooooo many, not only for us, but other teams as well..

I am not trying to get them off the hook at all, but when you have a player like this who has the damn balls to laugh later in the game when he did something else that he got away with, we have to realize that they, the officials are human.. and they need our help in stamping this out once and for all..

Here since 81...(LAST CENTURY !!).. x-Dunraven School, early 1960.... Palace 'nut' since 58....

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Nov 17 6.31pm
Originally posted by chateauferret Those nice old-fashioned computer terminals with Unix text editors used to have a thing called a "kill ring". You could highlight some text and save it to a buffer, and then paste it into a document wherever and whenever you needed it again. Like Cut and Paste in Windows but you could keep lots of text snippets at once and use whichever one was needed on a given occasion, such as "Dear Sir", "Yours Faithfully", "Thank you for your letter of yesterday's date", or even "We regret to inform you that your application has been unsuccessful". Or, if you're Willo, the horses* he has pasted here for the ten gazillionth time**. I don't understand all that technical terminology etc etc. All I will say is that supporters always call for 'Consistency' in relation to refereeing decisions - I have been consistent in my posts on HOL and have to re-iterate my message when I believe it is appropriate to do so.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Nov 17 6.31pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Those nice old-fashioned computer terminals with Unix text editors used to have a thing called a "kill ring". You could highlight some text and save it to a buffer, and then paste it into a document wherever and whenever you needed it again. Like Cut and Paste in Windows but you could keep lots of text snippets at once and use whichever one was needed on a given occasion, such as "Dear Sir", "Yours Faithfully", "Thank you for your letter of yesterday's date", or even "We regret to inform you that your application has been unsuccessful".

Or, if you're Willo, the horses*** he has pasted here for the ten gazillionth time.

I don't understand all that technical terminology etc etc.

All I will say is that supporters always call for 'Consistency' in relation to refereeing decisions - I have been consistent in my posts on HOL and have to re-iterate my message when I believe it is appropriate to do so.

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Direwolf Lincoln 21 Nov 17 6.34pm
Originally posted by lefty27 Whilst I am happy he has been charged I cannot see how it benefits us. We still dropped 2 points due to the penalty and his ban will be served against teams that we are close to...West Ham and Southampton, not really compensation for us. Agree - didn't Allardyce say something like this when the system was proposed?
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Lincoln 21 Nov 17 6.34pm

Originally posted by lefty27

Whilst I am happy he has been charged I cannot see how it benefits us. We still dropped 2 points due to the penalty and his ban will be served against teams that we are close to...West Ham and Southampton, not really compensation for us.

Agree - didn't Allardyce say something like this when the system was proposed?

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chateauferret 21 Nov 17 6.48pm
Originally posted by Willo I don't understand all that technical terminology etc etc. All I will say is that supporters always call for 'Consistency' in relation to refereeing decisions - I have been consistent in my posts on HOL and have to re-iterate the same old garbage ad nauseam. EFA. ============ The Ferret ============
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21 Nov 17 6.48pm

Originally posted by Willo

I don't understand all that technical terminology etc etc.

All I will say is that supporters always call for 'Consistency' in relation to refereeing decisions - I have been consistent in my posts on HOL and have to re-iterate the same old garbage ad nauseam.

EFA.

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cryrst The garden of England 21 Nov 17 8.24pm
The whole point of this procedure is to try to enlighten players into realising that cheaters will be found out. I don't think our existence in the EPL will be made on this event. 7 defeats in a row doesn't really help the cause !!!!! I am thankful an example has been made. Let's not forget wilf has been accused of diving and if we won a game on a dodgy penalty or free kick after one of these how would it feel to lose points. It does even out through a season and you finish in a position you generally earn over 38 games.
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The garden of England 21 Nov 17 8.24pm

The whole point of this procedure is to try to enlighten players into realising that cheaters will be found out.
I don't think our existence in the EPL will be made on this event.
7 defeats in a row doesn't really help the cause !!!!!
I am thankful an example has been made.
Let's not forget wilf has been accused of diving and if we won a game on a dodgy penalty or free kick after one of these how would it feel to lose points.
It does even out through a season and you finish in a position you generally earn over 38 games.

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JRW2 Dulwich 21 Nov 17 8.25pm
Originally posted by Willo What Hodgson said : “I spoke to the referee about it and I’m pretty sure if I had been in his position on the field I might have given that decision too. “So I don’t blame him, but its not until you see the video and slow it down that you see what happens.” So what Hodgson is saying that from Taylor's perspective it looked like a penalty but 'Slow-Mo' replays have suggested otherwise. I'm miles behind with this thread and have only just seen this quote from Hodgson, and I can hardly believe that a man whom I have hitherto respected could come out with such illogical claptrap. He had seen the incident once, at a distance of about fifty yards, yet he feels able, following a conversation with the referee, to put himself in the physical position of the referee and pronounce that from that viewpoint - which he never had - he might have awarded a penalty. I give up.
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Dulwich 21 Nov 17 8.25pm

Originally posted by Willo

What Hodgson said :

“I spoke to the referee about it and I’m pretty sure if I had been in his position on the field I might have given that decision too.

“So I don’t blame him, but its not until you see the video and slow it down that you see what happens.”

So what Hodgson is saying that from Taylor's perspective it looked like a penalty but 'Slow-Mo' replays have suggested otherwise.

I'm miles behind with this thread and have only just seen this quote from Hodgson, and I can hardly believe that a man whom I have hitherto respected could come out with such illogical claptrap. He had seen the incident once, at a distance of about fifty yards, yet he feels able, following a conversation with the referee, to put himself in the physical position of the referee and pronounce that from that viewpoint - which he never had - he might have awarded a penalty. I give up.

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chateauferret 21 Nov 17 8.33pm
Originally posted by JRW2 What Hodgson said : “I spoke to the referee about it and I’m pretty sure if I had been in his position on the field I might have given that decision too. “So I don’t blame him, but its not until you see the video and slow it down that you see what happens.” So what Hodgson is saying that from Taylor's perspective it looked like a penalty but 'Slow-Mo' replays have suggested otherwise. I'm miles behind with this thread and have only just seen this quote from Hodgson, and I can hardly believe that a man whom I have hitherto respected could come out with such illogical claptrap. He had seen the incident once, at a distance of about fifty yards, yet he feels able, following a conversation with the referee, to put himself in the physical position of the referee and pronounce that from that viewpoint - which he never had - he might have awarded a penalty. I give up. He was quite clear after the game that it was a dive. Since the quoted remarks don't come with a link or any attribution, and given who posted them, I'd take them with a hefty dose of sodium chloride if I were you. Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 8.33pm) ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

21 Nov 17 8.33pm

Originally posted by JRW2

What Hodgson said :

So what Hodgson is saying that from Taylor's perspective it looked like a penalty but 'Slow-Mo' replays have suggested otherwise.

He was quite clear after the game that it was a dive.

Since the quoted remarks don't come with a link or any attribution, and given who posted them, I'd take them with a hefty dose of sodium chloride if I were you.

Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 8.33pm)

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spartakev2 Anerley 21 Nov 17 11.43pm
Originally posted by chateauferret He was quite clear after the game that it was a dive. Since the quoted remarks don't come with a link or any attribution, and given who posted them, I'd take them with a hefty dose of sodium chloride if I were you. Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 8.33pm) Actually he did say this. If was in one of his post match interviews. ...he was quite clear that it was a dive, but only after seeing it on the video.
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Anerley 21 Nov 17 11.43pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

He was quite clear after the game that it was a dive.

Since the quoted remarks don't come with a link or any attribution, and given who posted them, I'd take them with a hefty dose of sodium chloride if I were you.

Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 8.33pm)

Actually he did say this. If was in one of his post match interviews. ...he was quite clear that it was a dive, but only after seeing it on the video.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Nov 17 12.01am
Originally posted by cryrst The whole point of this procedure is to try to enlighten players into realising that cheaters will be found out. . didier drogba was found out. And he cried all the way to the bank. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by cryrst

The whole point of this procedure is to try to enlighten players into realising that cheaters will be found out.
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didier drogba was found out. And he cried all the way to the bank.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Bullhorn76 Darlington 22 Nov 17 6.34am
It baffles me as to why Everton are contesting a unnaminous decision by three ex professionals if I were a top cog in the fa machine I’d say fine he doesn’t get banned for two games but you surrender the point you stole therefore awarding the match to Crystal Palace I think they may stick with the ban
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Darlington 22 Nov 17 6.34am

It baffles me as to why Everton are contesting a unnaminous decision by three ex professionals if I were a top cog in the fa machine I’d say fine he doesn’t get banned for two games but you surrender the point you stole therefore awarding the match to Crystal Palace I think they may stick with the ban

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 22 Nov 17 7.26am
Originally posted by Willo The whole match WILL be taken into account. There is a robust system for measuring the performance of the referee after each PL game. Each PL game is forensically evaluated where intense scrutinization of every decision is made using the match footage and 'ProZone' to measure the referee's technical performance. There is an assessment of the accuracy and consistency of decision making and his management of the game. Ok then Willo, if you are correct, has any of the results of these forensic assessments EVER been made public? Or is simply a case of telling us what we want to hear and filing the results of the assessments in the bin.. Keep it secret seems to be the answer, else it will show up the incompetence of some referees. And yes, I do remember Stuart Atwell......1 referee demoted out of hundreds of idiots..what happened to all the rest?
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the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 22 Nov 17 7.26am

Originally posted by Willo

The whole match WILL be taken into account.

There is a robust system for measuring the performance of the referee after each PL game. Each PL game is forensically evaluated where intense scrutinization of every decision is made using the match footage and 'ProZone' to measure the referee's technical performance. There is an assessment of the accuracy and consistency of decision making and his management of the game.

Ok then Willo, if you are correct, has any of the results of these forensic assessments EVER been made public? Or is simply a case of telling us what we want to hear and filing the results of the assessments in the bin.. Keep it secret seems to be the answer, else it will show up the incompetence of some referees. And yes, I do remember Stuart Atwell......1 referee demoted out of hundreds of idiots..what happened to all the rest?

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chateauferret 22 Nov 17 8.02am
Originally posted by the silurian Ok then Willo, if you are correct, has any of the results of these forensic assessments EVER been made public? Or is simply a case of telling us what we want to hear and filing the results of the assessments in the bin.. Keep it secret seems to be the answer, else it will show up the incompetence of some referees. And yes, I do remember Stuart Atwell......1 referee demoted out of hundreds of idiots..what happened to all the rest? Pointless arguing. He comes out with this bollocks every time and it's just as much horse*** now as it was when they chucked him out of the BBS years and years ago. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

22 Nov 17 8.02am

Originally posted by the silurian

Pointless arguing. He comes out with this bollocks every time and it's just as much horse*** now as it was when they chucked him out of the BBS years and years ago.

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