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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.45pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Does it matter,they are all vulnerable young people who need help/ or security of some kind. It does because we are specifically talking about those that need new 'parents'. Forever. And if that can be achieved taking in extra children. The system will/or should categorise level of need. 1) A new family for life 2) Short-term or medium-term foster care before returning to own family 3) Older teenagers in Children's Homes 4) Mental Health Unit, etc. It's a horrible, heartbreaking business and no kid should have to be in that full on emotional place mentally at such a tender age. But, seriously, if we took in another say, as a compromise, 500 orphaned 4-10 year olds i think somehow the system would cope and only someone with a cold, dead heart would still begrudge them their chance upon seeing them arrive.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 17 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
no terror attacks since 1995 that's 20 + years. Ironically park it's even their own religion they are against.when you see who's getting blown apart.
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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 17 12.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
no terror attacks since 1995 that's 20 + years. Red Army Group and affiliates and, arguably, The Yakuza "Although the 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack probably was the most widely reported terrorist event in Japan to date (5,500 injured, 12 dead), the country has suffered numerous other large terrorism-related events in recent decades, including bombings of the headquarters of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Tokyo in 1974 (207 injured, 8 dead), the Hokkaido Prefectural Government office building in Sapporo in 1976 (80 injured, 2 dead), and the Yosakoi-Soran Festival in Sapporo in 2000 (10 injured, none dead). Japan also has experienced two other mass-casualty terrorist events involving chemical releases, including the 1994 Matsumoto sarin attack (600 injured, 7 dead) and the 1998 Wakayama arsenic incident (67 injured, 4 dead). Until 1995, emergency management in Japan focused on planning and preparedness at the local level for the frequent disasters caused by natural events. Since that time, substantial progress has been made in advancing emergency planning and preparedness for terrorism-related events, including the designation of disaster centers in each prefecture, the implementation of several education and training programs for nuclear, biological, and chemical terrorism, and the establishment of a national Anti terrorism Office within the Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare." A published Paper.
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Park Road 04 Nov 17 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Red Army Group and affiliates and, arguably, The Yakuza "Although the 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack probably was the most widely reported terrorist event in Japan to date (5,500 injured, 12 dead), the country has suffered numerous other large terrorism-related events in recent decades, including bombings of the headquarters of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Tokyo in 1974 (207 injured, 8 dead), the Hokkaido Prefectural Government office building in Sapporo in 1976 (80 injured, 2 dead), and the Yosakoi-Soran Festival in Sapporo in 2000 (10 injured, none dead). Japan also has experienced two other mass-casualty terrorist events involving chemical releases, including the 1994 Matsumoto sarin attack (600 injured, 7 dead) and the 1998 Wakayama arsenic incident (67 injured, 4 dead). Until 1995, emergency management in Japan focused on planning and preparedness at the local level for the frequent disasters caused by natural events. Since that time, substantial progress has been made in advancing emergency planning and preparedness for terrorism-related events, including the designation of disaster centers in each prefecture, the implementation of several education and training programs for nuclear, biological, and chemical terrorism, and the establishment of a national Anti terrorism Office within the Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare." A published Paper. Ok, Fair enough Kermit 8.Unlike some, I wont debate/argue just for the sake of it. Edited by Park Road (04 Nov 2017 1.02pm)
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Park Road 04 Nov 17 1.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Ok, Fair enough Kermit 8.Unlike some, I wont debate/argue just for the sake of it. Edited by Park Road (04 Nov 2017 1.02pm) Unfortunately, I see that the link doesn't work so I pasted and copied a sound bite From [Link] Geographically isolated and culturally homogenous, Japan isn't an obvious refuge for Syrians fleeing the war. Between 2011 and 2016, 69 Syrians sought asylum in Japan - just seven have got it. Though far fewer asylum seekers come to Japan than Germany, for instance, they are diverse, victims of not just the well-known conflicts in Syria or Iraq, but lesser-known violence and persecution in Africa and Asia. Since 1982 - Japan signed the UN refugee convention in 1981 and enacted its refugee recognition law the following year - the country has accepted nearly 700 refugees. Applications have risen sharply over recent years, but recognition rates remain low. In 2016, a record 10,901 people applied or appealed rejected asylum claims, with the highest number of applicants coming from Indonesia, Nepal, the Philippines and Turkey. Japan accepted 28, or less than one percent of applicants. The previous year, Jamal was one of 27. And while he spent a year and a half in uncertainty, many asylum seekers, unable to put down roots, wait years for a result - often indefinitely. Edited by Park Road (04 Nov 2017 1.10pm)
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Park Road 04 Nov 17 1.08pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Ironically park it's even their own religion they are against.when you see who's getting blown apart. Mate! everything is about control
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cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 17 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Mate! everything is about control Yup agreed
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serial thriller The Promised Land 04 Nov 17 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What's your point. But we aren't helping ourselves. We are leaving millions of people in refugee camps and detention centres where resentment to us in the West is rising every day. We are continuing our policies in the Middle East (supporting the Saudis, bombing Libya and Syria, selling weapons to whoever wants them) which are exacerbating the problem. How is this helping you and me mate? It's making us less safe, all while threatening the lives of millions who, like you say, shouldn't even have anything to do with our lives. The only people it's benefitting is the people selling the weapons in our society, the politicians and the f*cking corpocrats. You say Islam is 500 years behind Christianity. You realise you're talking about a Chruch which may well excommunicate their Pope for heresy, because he dares challenge their views on abortion and homosexuality? Islam for most of history has been way ahead of Christianity. It produced great astronomical findings while we were convinced that the sun went round the earth. The Ottoman Empire legalised homosexuality while we were still killing people who were gay! We can't do sh*t about people's religion. We can do something about helping the poor and needy in the world, as Jesus correctly said. As it is, we are walking on the other side of the road because we aren't brave enough to help. It won't end well.
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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Nov 17 1.15pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The thing is, not taking in immigrants and refugees isn't a decision made with the head. It comes from a nationalistic impulse, which still conceives of the world as a Darwinian social competition. If, like Syria, your country has lost the race, then regardless of the circumstances, too bad. On the other end, Britain can interfere in other country's affairs, bomb them and sell them weapons, and as long as it keeps us at the front of the race, then it's accepted. Any repercussions, or even any responsibility for our actions, shouldn't cloud our need to prop up our GDP and maintain 'peace' within our borders. And what is the 'peace' we are protecting? It's a crony despotism, where the same people who are selling the weapons which are creating refugees are building the most complex civil surveillance systems in the world and watching us like perverts, are making billions as they do it, returning none of the profits back to society, and leaving our schools, hospitals and public services in a f*cking mess. When things go wrong, we can blame the refugees they are creating, and as long as the headlines about GDP rising continue, no one, they believe, will do anything to challenge them. So what does my head tell me? It tells me that our creaking workplace is being propped up by jobs in retails and services, and having worked many jobs in those fields and knowing people who do, I know they are close to breaking point and will soon collapse because we are losing the immigrant labour force who are the only f*cking people who will do those sh*t jobs for that sh*t pay. My brain tells me that I'm working in a school for kids who have mental disabilities and come from incredibly deprived backgrounds, and I don't even have the f*cking resources as a teacher to give them a chance in life, because the c*nts in the skyscrapers next to where I work won't pay their f*cking taxes. And what does my heart tell me? That our bullsh*t British bravado, w*nk over Will and Kate, cheerfully elect whichever next pr*ck walks out of Eton again and again and grin and bear it while they rob us of our f*cking money, is justifying us allowing thousands, if not millions, of women and children to drown in the sea. That I have more in common with someone from Syria who's been f*cked over by the powers that be than I do with the faceless suits who work across the road from me. That they decide who the 'necessary sacrifices' are in this big old bullsh*t game of politics and that in another world, at another time, it could just as easily have been my insignificant f*cking body in their f*cking firing line as some poor sod from Afghanistan. So please, those who want them all to drown, stop pretending your f*cking arguments are coming from the head. Rant over. Enjoyed the rant
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Nov 17 2.03pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But we aren't helping ourselves. We are leaving millions of people in refugee camps and detention centres where resentment to us in the West is rising every day. We are continuing our policies in the Middle East (supporting the Saudis, bombing Libya and Syria, selling weapons to whoever wants them) which are exacerbating the problem. How is this helping you and me mate? It's making us less safe, all while threatening the lives of millions who, like you say, shouldn't even have anything to do with our lives. The only people it's benefitting is the people selling the weapons in our society, the politicians and the f*cking corpocrats. You say Islam is 500 years behind Christianity. You realise you're talking about a Chruch which may well excommunicate their Pope for heresy, because he dares challenge their views on abortion and homosexuality? Islam for most of history has been way ahead of Christianity. It produced great astronomical findings while we were convinced that the sun went round the earth. The Ottoman Empire legalised homosexuality while we were still killing people who were gay! We can't do sh*t about people's religion. We can do something about helping the poor and needy in the world, as Jesus correctly said. As it is, we are walking on the other side of the road because we aren't brave enough to help. It won't end well. We have done and look how well that went. You seem to be under the false impression that most people are grateful.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 17 2.04pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But we aren't helping ourselves. We are leaving millions of people in refugee camps and detention centres where resentment to us in the West is rising every day. We are continuing our policies in the Middle East (supporting the Saudis, bombing Libya and Syria, selling weapons to whoever wants them) which are exacerbating the problem. How is this helping you and me mate? It's making us less safe, all while threatening the lives of millions who, like you say, shouldn't even have anything to do with our lives. The only people it's benefitting is the people selling the weapons in our society, the politicians and the f*cking corpocrats. You say Islam is 500 years behind Christianity. You realise you're talking about a Chruch which may well excommunicate their Pope for heresy, because he dares challenge their views on abortion and homosexuality? Islam for most of history has been way ahead of Christianity. It produced great astronomical findings while we were convinced that the sun went round the earth. The Ottoman Empire legalised homosexuality while we were still killing people who were gay! We can't do sh*t about people's religion. We can do something about helping the poor and needy in the world, as Jesus correctly said. As it is, we are walking on the other side of the road because we aren't brave enough to help. It won't end well. Ok let's all believe the same thing then
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serial thriller The Promised Land 04 Nov 17 2.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We have done and look how well that went. You seem to be under the false impression that most people are grateful. It has been done with great success throughout the past 300 years mate! It's the reason why you and me are having this conversation and living in a quiet, peaceful society compared with most of human history. Were we born at nearly any point previously, we'd probably be in genuine poverty, or dying young of a horrible disease or in battle. Are there people who are ungrateful? Of course! But what percentage of the refugees now living in, say, Germany or Sweden, are engaging in terrorism, and what percentage are working hard to provide for their families and their new society?
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