Well we'll have to agree to disagree because that statement is the very opposite of what I believe.

My wife is a childminder and sometimes a parent will turn up and want to talk about their day and what they've done and what Maureen in Accounts did. All the while their child is leaping up trying to get their attention - and this is the sort of child who will misbehave the most - because all they want is that 1-2-1 time with their mum.

It's really sad and I see the difference between the children whose parents run straight to them and hug them and ask them about their day as opposed to the ones who are all "me, me, me" and then straight home to go on Facebook to tell everyone else what a hard day they've had.
Of course they'll stick a picture of themself with their child up every so often so all their mates can tell them what a great parent they are.

I see a lot through my lens thank you very much Mapletree. It's always easy to assume that you're the only deep thinker in the world and the only one who gets the jokes in movies, who understands the sub plot in the novels, who is 'down with the kids' - the truth is 90% of the posters on here can be pretty deep and meaningful if really pushed and just because you're chummy with someone in Borneo doesn't make your lens gold plated.

You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.

I understand that comment but I think the difference is that socio-economic circumstances are usually unavoidable whereas allowing same sex couples to adopt is a conscious decision. I am skeptical about the level of research that can be done scientifically on the long term effects.
A we have said. It might be the least worst option.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Oct 2017 2.53pm)

This note was not aimed at you but at Hedgehog who I consider to be very stuck in his ways.

I actually don't know whether or not same sex parenting has bad side effects. Or whether on average single sex parents get a worse 'outcome', whatever that is and however it is judged, compared to mixed sex couples. I certainly see the difference between myself and my wife in our parenting roles and the way they are additive to one another.

I just don't want to pre-judge. Different approaches have worked for different societies historically. What about matrilineal societies where it is the brother and not the father that is key to the child?

I would suggest that same sex couples probably at least try harder to bring up their children in a thoughtful way than a huge proportion of mixed sex couples. A lot of people take parenting for granted and we have seen many really bad examples, yet the people concerned saw it as their right to be bad parents because it was 'their child'.

I really don't think it's quite as easy for same sex couples to adopt as you indicate, I could be wrong.

His accuracy on this appears to be the same as on Irish migration.

Really? I consider it trying to exercise morality.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Firstly what the in the name of Homer Simpson has they way property is handed down through the female family, or your family lineage being trcaed through your mother side got to do with same sex parents ???? are you smoking some Brixton Old Holburn?

Secondly this thread is here because a gay man battered fcuk out of his baby, so I think we can ignore that little statement.

As for being more thoughtful please explain to me how a gay man can show empathy with his teenage daughter for her period pain, having never experienced it ? Similarly how could a mother show empathy for a young lad whose voice is breaking, or worse has a cold

I just don't think mother nature makes many design floors, and if she does, they don't tend to be around long.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"