Good, we don't want any knee-jerk reactions.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

? No not really....You didn't watch his statement then...ah well, to be expected.

Whatever you want to waffle on about Ray.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Black people in America are disproportionately poor. The poor in America are disproportionately likely to be involved in crime, either as perpetrator or victim. There is no notable difference between crime rates for poor whites as for poor blacks.

The issue isn't race, the issue is poverty. [Link]

As for the venue for the protest, the whole point of protesting is to do it in a place where it garners the most attention. For example, when right-wingers from all over the US wanted to protest the perceived erasure of their heritage, they didn't do it in their own homes or even home towns. They descended en masse upon a small town in Virginia and caused a bit of an uproar by carrying Nazi flags, chanting Nazi slogans, throwing Nazi salutes and killing one person while injuring a number of other by driving a car into a crowd.

Against that, taking a knee during a song doesn't seem so extreme, does it?

Edited by Ray in Houston (26 Sep 2017 3.08pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

There's a point there that you're ignoring because it pouts your racist argument to the sword.

As I said: hilarious.

Edited by Ray in Houston (26 Sep 2017 3.07pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

That's how I remember it yes.

When I was defending free speech at actual free speech rallies you were one of those arguing with me about it.

Maybe, if I can be bothered later I'll go back and look at what you said in that thread. I remember you became more reasonable later on in the thread....but perhaps I'll look.

You are talking rubbish when you put forward the opinion that you know mine and perhaps other's motivations. That's fine for me to say. You have your opinion and that's mine.

I can't help it that you take 'don't speak for others' literally as if I'm trying to stop your freedom of speech. I'm not....I'm criticising you for doing it. There is a massive difference between the two.

As for 'black players', this relates to the 'white' and whatever else players who have also done this.

I don't believe sport and politics should mix for the reasons stated. How hardcore am I about that? It isn't a hill I'd die on no....but It's bad for business and divisive for sure. As for banning people...I see the sense in what Fifa and the Olympics do....but I'm automatically opposed to banning most things...It's something I'm glad I don't have to decide upon. Everyone should be allowed freedom of speech. By the same token practical considerations for when and where that speech is appropriate also matter too.

Both matter.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 3.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Well Kaepernick - as the poster child for this protest - is out of a job while a dozen less talented QBs have starting roles on NFL teams. So there's one.

The point of this weekend being that the various symbolic actions of hundreds of players - and an owner or two - means that no one else is getting ostracised over this.

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We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.