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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 5.19pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Not exactly slammed shut either. Security has to come first. Are you saying the individual security from threat trumps anything. There is no threat to national security from terrorism; only to individuals. Should we accept the same response to all threats to the lives of British Citizens? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 5.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not exactly slammed shut either. Security has to come first.

Are you saying the individual security from threat trumps anything. There is no threat to national security from terrorism; only to individuals.

Should we accept the same response to all threats to the lives of British Citizens?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 5.21pm
Originally posted by elgrande Which as a taxpayer, am paying for. But IS said that they would send these sort of c***s amongst the refugees..and they have. I think we'd have to establish that they weren't radicalised within the UK, before accepting that as a conclusion, rather than an assumption. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 5.21pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Which as a taxpayer, am paying for.
But IS said that they would send these sort of c***s amongst the refugees..and they have.

I think we'd have to establish that they weren't radicalised within the UK, before accepting that as a conclusion, rather than an assumption.

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elgrande bedford 18 Sep 17 5.27pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think we'd have to establish that they weren't radicalised within the UK, before accepting that as a conclusion, rather than an assumption. Well find out how long they have been leeching here,then we will know always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 18 Sep 17 5.27pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think we'd have to establish that they weren't radicalised within the UK, before accepting that as a conclusion, rather than an assumption.

Well find out how long they have been leeching here,then we will know

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Sep 17 5.34pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 How are people with signs a threat to national security - aren't they just using freedom of speech and expression? I'm not sure how the SWP come into it. They're just a tiny group, like the EDL or Britain First, who see themselves as self appointed 'moral enforcers', who ultimately, tend to use the questions around asylum to extend their own political agenda - They're not interested in refugees or issues around asylum - they're only interested in it as a means of expanding their membership and political influence. Encouraging and allowing thousands of refugees to enter the country (particularly Islamic refugees of course) endangers national security. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Sep 17 5.34pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

How are people with signs a threat to national security - aren't they just using freedom of speech and expression?

I'm not sure how the SWP come into it. They're just a tiny group, like the EDL or Britain First, who see themselves as self appointed 'moral enforcers', who ultimately, tend to use the questions around asylum to extend their own political agenda - They're not interested in refugees or issues around asylum - they're only interested in it as a means of expanding their membership and political influence.

Encouraging and allowing thousands of refugees to enter the country (particularly Islamic refugees of course) endangers national security.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Sep 17 5.45pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Encouraging and allowing thousands of refugees to enter the country (particularly Islamic refugees of course) endangers national security. From the million or so British babies due to born here over the next two years there will be, amongst them, when older, psychopaths, rapists, murderers and vicious thugs endangering all our security. Let's ban babies because some of them are going to commit heinous crimes as adults? Authorities should be doing a psycho test on every single refugee/migrant to help prevent and educate and de-radicalise the dodgy ones carrying on their warped path especially the young ones. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Encouraging and allowing thousands of refugees to enter the country (particularly Islamic refugees of course) endangers national security.

From the million or so British babies due to born here over the next two years there will be, amongst them, when older, psychopaths, rapists, murderers and vicious thugs endangering all our security.

Let's ban babies because some of them are going to commit heinous crimes as adults?

Authorities should be doing a psycho test on every single refugee/migrant to help prevent and educate and de-radicalise the dodgy ones carrying on their warped path especially the young ones.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 5.47pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Encouraging and allowing thousands of refugees to enter the country (particularly Islamic refugees of course) endangers national security. Are they encouraging thousands of refugees to enter the UK though, I'd be surprised if many refugees are scouring the small articles of UK news and thinking. Also, no it doesn't, not really. The number of refugees in the UK that are given asylum each year is a very small figure, around 29,000 on a heavy year. Also, the number of terrorists that have been refugees is pretty low (once you remove people that the UK knew were involved in terrorism, and granted them Asylum for geo-political reasons). Much lower than those who are British born citizens. That's not to say there isn't a risk. There will always be a risk, anyone coming to the UK or in the UK, could be a threat to someone's life. For the most part, I think that people generally regard Asylum as being immigration - it isn't and it should be viewed separately. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Encouraging and allowing thousands of refugees to enter the country (particularly Islamic refugees of course) endangers national security.

Are they encouraging thousands of refugees to enter the UK though, I'd be surprised if many refugees are scouring the small articles of UK news and thinking.

Also, no it doesn't, not really. The number of refugees in the UK that are given asylum each year is a very small figure, around 29,000 on a heavy year.

Also, the number of terrorists that have been refugees is pretty low (once you remove people that the UK knew were involved in terrorism, and granted them Asylum for geo-political reasons). Much lower than those who are British born citizens.

That's not to say there isn't a risk. There will always be a risk, anyone coming to the UK or in the UK, could be a threat to someone's life.

For the most part, I think that people generally regard Asylum as being immigration - it isn't and it should be viewed separately.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Sep 17 5.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Are you saying the individual security from threat trumps anything. There is no threat to national security from terrorism; only to individuals. Should we accept the same response to all threats to the lives of British Citizens? Are you saying that we should treat the risk of allowing terrorists into Britain the same way as people being run over or falling down the stairs?
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Are you saying the individual security from threat trumps anything. There is no threat to national security from terrorism; only to individuals.

Should we accept the same response to all threats to the lives of British Citizens?

Are you saying that we should treat the risk of allowing terrorists into Britain the same way as people being run over or falling down the stairs?

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Sep 17 5.53pm
Spin Doctors Jamie and Kermit can spin all they like. The fact remains that a refugee has tried to carry out an act of terrorism - as predicted by many, while the left was dismissing such concerns. Now of course they start throwing out their squid-ink to obscure what is in front of our noses. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 18 Sep 17 5.53pm

Spin Doctors Jamie and Kermit can spin all they like. The fact remains that a refugee has tried to carry out an act of terrorism - as predicted by many, while the left was dismissing such concerns. Now of course they start throwing out their squid-ink to obscure what is in front of our noses.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 5.55pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 From the million or so British babies due to born here over the next two years there will be, amongst them, when older, psychopaths, rapists, murderers and vicious thugs endangering all our security. Let's ban babies because some of them are going to commit heinous crimes as adults? Authorities should be doing a psycho test on every single refugee/migrant to help prevent and educate and de-radicalise the dodgy ones carrying on their warped path especially the young ones. I think there is reason to be more cautious when accepting refugees from certain countries. But the problem is that we're waiting for people to make it to the UK, rather than from the people arriving at the refugee camps - where you have a reasonable chance of making an accurate analysis of who they are, where they came from. Instead we're left dealing with people who have spent time in refugee camps, and may have been there for a year or more. If we focused on taking people from the camps and processing them on arrival accordingly, we'd have the choice and a reasonable knowledge of where they have come from (and can use other people on site to verify that). Its a poor strategy to wait until people make it to the UK, by which point its almost impossible to know where they have come from (which makes returning them a nightmare). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 5.55pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

From the million or so British babies due to born here over the next two years there will be, amongst them, when older, psychopaths, rapists, murderers and vicious thugs endangering all our security.

Let's ban babies because some of them are going to commit heinous crimes as adults?

Authorities should be doing a psycho test on every single refugee/migrant to help prevent and educate and de-radicalise the dodgy ones carrying on their warped path especially the young ones.

I think there is reason to be more cautious when accepting refugees from certain countries. But the problem is that we're waiting for people to make it to the UK, rather than from the people arriving at the refugee camps - where you have a reasonable chance of making an accurate analysis of who they are, where they came from.

Instead we're left dealing with people who have spent time in refugee camps, and may have been there for a year or more.

If we focused on taking people from the camps and processing them on arrival accordingly, we'd have the choice and a reasonable knowledge of where they have come from (and can use other people on site to verify that).

Its a poor strategy to wait until people make it to the UK, by which point its almost impossible to know where they have come from (which makes returning them a nightmare).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 5.59pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Spin Doctors Jamie and Kermit can spin all they like. The fact remains that a refugee has tried to carry out an act of terrorism - as predicted by many, while the left was dismissing such concerns. Now of course they start throwing out their squid-ink to obscure what is in front of our noses. I think its probably true that they did, seems that way. Well done, you predicted it. The left weren't dismissing those concerns, they were dismissing your view that it justified ending any asylum. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 5.59pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I think its probably true that they did, seems that way. Well done, you predicted it. The left weren't dismissing those concerns, they were dismissing your view that it justified ending any asylum.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 6.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Are you saying that we should treat the risk of allowing terrorists into Britain the same way as people being run over or falling down the stairs? No, those are accidents. I think we should treat them proportionally to the deliberate acts of others that criminally affect peoples lives. I don't believe that we should treat whole groups of people as being guilty, on the basis of actions of individuals. We should deal with the risk as best we can. Sadly, we didn't, we decided not take a proactive approach to dealing with refugees, i.e. selecting people from the camps when they arrive there, and you can work out who they are, where they're from and verify that. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Sep 17 6.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you saying that we should treat the risk of allowing terrorists into Britain the same way as people being run over or falling down the stairs?

No, those are accidents. I think we should treat them proportionally to the deliberate acts of others that criminally affect peoples lives.

I don't believe that we should treat whole groups of people as being guilty, on the basis of actions of individuals.

We should deal with the risk as best we can. Sadly, we didn't, we decided not take a proactive approach to dealing with refugees, i.e. selecting people from the camps when they arrive there, and you can work out who they are, where they're from and verify that.

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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Sep 17 6.07pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Spin Doctors Jamie and Kermit can spin all they like. The fact remains that a refugee has tried to carry out an act of terrorism - as predicted by many, while the left was dismissing such concerns. Now of course they start throwing out their squid-ink to obscure what is in front of our noses. Nearly every single act of terrorism in the UK over the last 50 years has been committed by those born in the UK. A massive overreaction on your part to ban all refugees because of a dangerous few. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 18 Sep 17 6.07pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Nearly every single act of terrorism in the UK over the last 50 years has been committed by those born in the UK. A massive overreaction on your part to ban all refugees because of a dangerous few.

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