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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Sep 17 2.32pm | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Reading the whole of that thread on the BBS, it looks like we're in for more of the same. It would appear that Frank's not for turning. I was concerned about Burnley, but now I'm very concerned. Actually his reported comments do raise questions about exactly what Parish and de Boer actually discussed. They discuss a lot of things an and out of official meetings but alas the narrative was that these were 'Crisis' talks after defeats etc etc.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Sep 17 2.39pm | |
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Originally posted by rikz
We're not Chelsea and will never have the same calibre of players, his always been issolated and ineffective playing further forward, he's our most creative player, always makes things happen and his best position is out wide, getting him on the ball as often as possible. My comments weren't made with me thinking about Zaha playing as an out-and-out forward. My understanding is that FDB believes by playing in an advanced forward position out wide in a 3-4-3 he doesn't have the defensive responsibilities he would have in other formations.Just like the Hazard role at Chelsea. He believes Zaha is very important to the team and would like him to play higher where he believes he is more effective.But of course I understand the 'Bigger picture' in terms of the qualities of the other players, their best positions and the overall balance of the team. Edited by Willo (08 Sep 2017 2.42pm)
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rikz Croydon 08 Sep 17 2.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
My comments weren't made with me thinking about Zaha playing as an out-and-out forward. My understanding is that FDB believes by playing in an advanced forward position out wide in a 3-4-3 he doesn't have the defensive responsibilities he would have in other formations.Just like the Hazard role at Chelsea. He believes Zaha is very important to the team and would like him to play higher where he believes he is more effective.But of course I understand the 'Bigger picture' in terms of the qualities of the other players, their best positions and the overall balance of the team. Edited by Willo (08 Sep 2017 2.42pm) No I understand what you was saying but we just don't have good enough players to play with wing backs, they need help with the wingers tracking back, our team and formation picks itself, milo and cabaye in the middle, loftus cheek in front with zaha and Townsend on the wing.
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Kingsov Launceston 08 Sep 17 3.02pm | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Reading the whole of that thread on the BBS, it looks like we're in for more of the same. It would appear that Frank's not for turning. I was concerned about Burnley, but now I'm very concerned. Actually his reported comments do raise questions about exactly what Parish and de Boer actually discussed. And Shock, Horror, Surprised that neither FdB or Steve Parish invited you along to listen or even contribute!!
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TrickyBoy Vietnam 08 Sep 17 3.22pm | |
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There are some great managerial insights throughout this thread and people far more tactically intelligent that me but .... With a striker with so much potential as Benteke, would you not just come up with a system that feeds balls non stop to him. It must be so frustrating for him. Give him balls into the box constantly and a player off him to get knock downs. Im sure hed love to end the game knackered. Just my two cents but he is class but not if he gets nothing to work with. So he missed chance at Liverpool but thats about all hes had in 3 games.
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Kingsov Launceston 08 Sep 17 3.25pm | |
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To the experts on FdB's record as Ajax Amsterdam Manager and the so-called easy and worthless Career as a Manager after a glittering world renown career as a Player. To Quote 'Ajax Amsterdam - Wikipedia' In 2010, Frank de Boer was appointed manager of Ajax and led the club to its first league title in seven years, and record 30th title overall, in the 2010–11 season. This was followed by back-to-back wins in 2011–12 and 2012–13 to match his three consecutive titles as a player in the 1990s. In 2013–14, Ajax were again Eredivisie champions, winning four consecutive league titles for the first time in the club's history.After finishing as runner-up to PSV in both 2014–15 and 2015–16, De Boer stepped down as Ajax head coach in May 2016. This may go partly to explain why Steve Parish and the Board first elected to sign FdB as Crystal Palace Manager. Edited by Kingsov (08 Sep 2017 3.26pm)
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Lyons550 Shirley 08 Sep 17 3.29pm | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Reading the whole of that thread on the BBS, it looks like we're in for more of the same. It would appear that Frank's not for turning. I was concerned about Burnley, but now I'm very concerned. Actually his reported comments do raise questions about exactly what Parish and de Boer actually discussed. Or more than likely what the press were speculating on?? Ultimately unless we were present they could've been discussing birthday presents for all we know.
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rikz Croydon 08 Sep 17 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Kingsov
To the experts on FdB's record as Ajax Amsterdam Manager and the so-called easy and worthless Career as a Manager after a glittering world renown career as a Player. To Quote 'Ajax Amsterdam - Wikipedia' In 2010, Frank de Boer was appointed manager of Ajax and led the club to its first league title in seven years, and record 30th title overall, in the 2010–11 season. This was followed by back-to-back wins in 2011–12 and 2012–13 to match his three consecutive titles as a player in the 1990s. In 2013–14, Ajax were again Eredivisie champions, winning four consecutive league titles for the first time in the club's history.After finishing as runner-up to PSV in both 2014–15 and 2015–16, De Boer stepped down as Ajax head coach in May 2016. This may go partly to explain why Steve Parish and the Board first elected to sign FdB as Crystal Palace Manager. Edited by Kingsov (08 Sep 2017 3.26pm) All well and good but like Gullit said on motd in Holland you go an hour one way and you're in Germany an hour the other and you're in Belgium, the country is tiny. Any promising youngster will go to Ajax that's just how it is there so they have the pick of the best young players in Holland, who continuously produce some of the best players in the world. Managing a struggling premiership side when even the lowest team can afford to pay players twice to three times over what Dutch teams can and it's a whole different ball game.
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chris123 hove actually 08 Sep 17 3.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Kingsov
To the experts on FdB's record as Ajax Amsterdam Manager and the so-called easy and worthless Career as a Manager after a glittering world renown career as a Player. To Quote 'Ajax Amsterdam - Wikipedia' In 2010, Frank de Boer was appointed manager of Ajax and led the club to its first league title in seven years, and record 30th title overall, in the 2010–11 season. This was followed by back-to-back wins in 2011–12 and 2012–13 to match his three consecutive titles as a player in the 1990s. In 2013–14, Ajax were again Eredivisie champions, winning four consecutive league titles for the first time in the club's history.After finishing as runner-up to PSV in both 2014–15 and 2015–16, De Boer stepped down as Ajax head coach in May 2016. This may go partly to explain why Steve Parish and the Board first elected to sign FdB as Crystal Palace Manager. Edited by Kingsov (08 Sep 2017 3.26pm) And remember Ajax have not won the title since.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Sep 17 3.43pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
And remember Ajax have not won the title since. But if I recall correctly they finished a massive 17 pts behind PSV Eindhoven in his penultimate season and lost out to PSV in his final season, albeit very narrowly and it went to the last day. So yes Ajax won 4 consecutive titles whilst he was there but they didn't in his final 2 seasons.
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bexleydave Barnehurst 08 Sep 17 3.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Kingsov
And Shock, Horror, Surprised that neither FdB or Steve Parish invited you along to listen or even contribute!!
I would have expected Parish to have spoken to de Boer about a system that clearly isn't working, but his press conference suggests that they may not be the case (or he wasn't listening). We'll know on Sunday if de Boer is stupid enough to start with three at the back again.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Sep 17 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
I would have expected Parish to have spoken to de Boer about a system that clearly isn't working, but his press conference suggests that they may not be the case (or he wasn't listening). We'll know on Sunday if de Boer is stupid enough to start with three at the back again. Maybe Steve never got into the specifics of a particular system with the discussion being more broad-based. At the end of the day I believe FDB will play the system he believes is right based on the players at his disposal and the opponents and won't be swayed by those who are perhaps urging him to do differently.
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