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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Sep 17 11.35am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I expect it will carry on forever irrespective of the level of crime simply to appease minorities. That is modern Britain. At the mercy of identity politics and scum bag politicians scared of losing votes. Ya pays your money, you takes your choice I guess. We know that there is a history of crime and risk associated with festivals, carnivals, football matches etc. Now I'm not saying that the girl who got raped at Reading festival deserved it, or that someone who gets mugged etc at Notting Hill Carnival deserves it, but these are events that people participate in by choice - and the existence of certain risks aren't unknown in advance. Putting 80,000 people in some fields, and providing them with booze (and drugs) over a three day period, effectively outside of the normal social environment - has risks and implications that should be apparent - and that the motives of people attending such events might well be very different from most attendees. Basic rule of social existence, everything is generally ruined by a small minority, that cannot be trusted to be responsible, accept personal responsibility or reasonably behaved. Whether that's guns, drugs, booze, festivals, carnivals, driving, following football etc ad infinitum. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Sep 17 11.35am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I expect it will carry on forever irrespective of the level of crime simply to appease minorities.

That is modern Britain. At the mercy of identity politics and scum bag politicians scared of losing votes.

Ya pays your money, you takes your choice I guess. We know that there is a history of crime and risk associated with festivals, carnivals, football matches etc.

Now I'm not saying that the girl who got raped at Reading festival deserved it, or that someone who gets mugged etc at Notting Hill Carnival deserves it, but these are events that people participate in by choice - and the existence of certain risks aren't unknown in advance.

Putting 80,000 people in some fields, and providing them with booze (and drugs) over a three day period, effectively outside of the normal social environment - has risks and implications that should be apparent - and that the motives of people attending such events might well be very different from most attendees.

Basic rule of social existence, everything is generally ruined by a small minority, that cannot be trusted to be responsible, accept personal responsibility or reasonably behaved. Whether that's guns, drugs, booze, festivals, carnivals, driving, following football etc ad infinitum.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Sep 17 2.28pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Ya pays your money, you takes your choice I guess. We know that there is a history of crime and risk associated with festivals, carnivals, football matches etc. Now I'm not saying that the girl who got raped at Reading festival deserved it, or that someone who gets mugged etc at Notting Hill Carnival deserves it, but these are events that people participate in by choice - and the existence of certain risks aren't unknown in advance. Putting 80,000 people in some fields, and providing them with booze (and drugs) over a three day period, effectively outside of the normal social environment - has risks and implications that should be apparent - and that the motives of people attending such events might well be very different from most attendees. Basic rule of social existence, everything is generally ruined by a small minority, that cannot be trusted to be responsible, accept personal responsibility or reasonably behaved. Whether that's guns, drugs, booze, festivals, carnivals, driving, following football etc ad infinitum. Yes all true, but we know that there is a particular problem in the black community and that shows its face starkly at NHC. For me, it is an insult to the vast majority of people that we are forced to endure the criminality, cost and risk to citizens and the police that occurs annually just to satisfy expectations of a few people who cling to the idea of multi culture and wish to avoid a backlash of more disorder and loss of popularity among minority voters. If there were 1000 arrests at a football match or a festival on two occasions you can be sure it would be met with a serious punishment or permanent closure.
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01 Sep 17 2.28pm

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Ya pays your money, you takes your choice I guess. We know that there is a history of crime and risk associated with festivals, carnivals, football matches etc.

Yes all true, but we know that there is a particular problem in the black community and that shows its face starkly at NHC. For me, it is an insult to the vast majority of people that we are forced to endure the criminality, cost and risk to citizens and the police that occurs annually just to satisfy expectations of a few people who cling to the idea of multi culture and wish to avoid a backlash of more disorder and loss of popularity among minority voters.
If there were 1000 arrests at a football match or a festival on two occasions you can be sure it would be met with a serious punishment or permanent closure.

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Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 01 Sep 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Ya pays your money, you takes your choice I guess. We know that there is a history of crime and risk associated with festivals, carnivals, football matches etc. Now I'm not saying that the girl who got raped at Reading festival deserved it, or that someone who gets mugged etc at Notting Hill Carnival deserves it, but these are events that people participate in by choice - and the existence of certain risks aren't unknown in advance. Putting 80,000 people in some fields, and providing them with booze (and drugs) over a three day period, effectively outside of the normal social environment - has risks and implications that should be apparent - and that the motives of people attending such events might well be very different from most attendees. Basic rule of social existence, everything is generally ruined by a small minority, that cannot be trusted to be responsible, accept personal responsibility or reasonably behaved. Whether that's guns, drugs, booze, festivals, carnivals, driving, following football etc ad infinitum. Not the Police officers they have no choice but to attend, and are the ones specifically targeted (31 reported injured officers). To have contaminated bodily fluids and acid thrown at them is a premeditated act of violence. At the other events listed I don't think there are planned attacks aimed solely at the police, thats not to say that that the Police don't become the target for aggression. I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.
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On the edge of reason 01 Sep 17 2.43pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Ya pays your money, you takes your choice I guess. We know that there is a history of crime and risk associated with festivals, carnivals, football matches etc.

Now I'm not saying that the girl who got raped at Reading festival deserved it, or that someone who gets mugged etc at Notting Hill Carnival deserves it, but these are events that people participate in by choice - and the existence of certain risks aren't unknown in advance.

Not the Police officers they have no choice but to attend, and are the ones specifically targeted (31 reported injured officers). To have contaminated bodily fluids and acid thrown at them is a premeditated act of violence.

At the other events listed I don't think there are planned attacks aimed solely at the police, thats not to say that that the Police don't become the target for aggression.

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Sep 17 3.19pm
The liberal/left will come up with endless excuses for criminal actions as long as those actions are carried out by members of non-white 'communities'. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 01 Sep 17 3.19pm

The liberal/left will come up with endless excuses for criminal actions as long as those actions are carried out by members of non-white 'communities'.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Sep 17 3.24pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The liberal/left will come up with endless excuses for criminal actions as long as those actions are carried out by members of non-white 'communities'. You daft fecker.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 Sep 17 3.24pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The liberal/left will come up with endless excuses for criminal actions as long as those actions are carried out by members of non-white 'communities'.

You daft fecker.

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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 17 3.39pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Basic rule of social existence, everything is generally ruined by a small minority, that cannot be trusted to be responsible, accept personal responsibility or reasonably behaved. Whether that's guns, drugs, booze, festivals, carnivals, driving, following football etc ad infinitum. Yep, it's the 'why we can't have nice things' and so on....why freedoms have to be balanced by security. As I see it, people come in three states.....those who leave society better than they found it, those that balanced out and those that left it worse. All very subjective of course but I suppose most things are. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Sep 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yep, it's the 'why we can't have nice things' and so on....why freedoms have to be balanced by security.

As I see it, people come in three states.....those who leave society better than they found it, those that balanced out and those that left it worse.

All very subjective of course but I suppose most things are.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Sep 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Apollofuzz Not the Police officers they have no choice but to attend, and are the ones specifically targeted (31 reported injured officers). To have contaminated bodily fluids and acid thrown at them is a premeditated act of violence. At the other events listed I don't think there are planned attacks aimed solely at the police, thats not to say that that the Police don't become the target for aggression. Well its kind of part of their job to attend. Its important to remember as well that NHC isn't just one big riot of violence, there are incidents and trouble, and the police rightly take more no nonsense attitude towards trouble. I've heard of football fans going for the police (notably our scummy cousins down the road). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Sep 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

At the other events listed I don't think there are planned attacks aimed solely at the police, thats not to say that that the Police don't become the target for aggression.

Well its kind of part of their job to attend. Its important to remember as well that NHC isn't just one big riot of violence, there are incidents and trouble, and the police rightly take more no nonsense attitude towards trouble.

I've heard of football fans going for the police (notably our scummy cousins down the road).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Sep 17 3.53pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The liberal/left will come up with endless excuses for criminal actions as long as those actions are carried out by members of non-white 'communities'. Liberal / Left - Check Excuses for criminality - check Non-White - check 'Communities' - Check Just need the 'money tree' or 'Enoch Powell was right' to claim a full line on my 'Right Wing Jingo Bingo' card. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Sep 17 3.53pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The liberal/left will come up with endless excuses for criminal actions as long as those actions are carried out by members of non-white 'communities'.

Liberal / Left - Check
Excuses for criminality - check
Non-White - check
'Communities' - Check

Just need the 'money tree' or 'Enoch Powell was right' to claim a full line on my 'Right Wing Jingo Bingo' card.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Sep 17 4.39pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Liberal / Left - Check Excuses for criminality - check Non-White - check 'Communities' - Check Just need the 'money tree' or 'Enoch Powell was right' to claim a full line on my 'Right Wing Jingo Bingo' card. Cliche maybe but judging by some of the lefty zealots on here, he is right. The trouble is that defence of the carnival is deafeningly loud compared to the condemnation of criminality with the usual response of, 'I don't condone criminality'. When you wonder why some people reject mass immigration and multi culture, this is why. Oh and Islamists and slavery and forced marriages and honour killings and witchcraft and organised crime and identity politics and the fact that we are having to concern ourselves with all things multi culture on an almost daily basis. Did I miss anything? Oh wait, ahem, Enoch Powell was right.
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Hrolf The Ganger

01 Sep 17 4.39pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Liberal / Left - Check
Excuses for criminality - check
Non-White - check
'Communities' - Check

Just need the 'money tree' or 'Enoch Powell was right' to claim a full line on my 'Right Wing Jingo Bingo' card.

Cliche maybe but judging by some of the lefty zealots on here, he is right.
The trouble is that defence of the carnival is deafeningly loud compared to the condemnation of criminality with the usual response of, 'I don't condone criminality'.
When you wonder why some people reject mass immigration and multi culture, this is why. Oh and Islamists and slavery and forced marriages and honour killings and witchcraft and organised crime and identity politics and the fact that we are having to concern ourselves with all things multi culture on an almost daily basis.

Did I miss anything?

Oh wait, ahem, Enoch Powell was right.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Sep 17 4.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Cliche maybe but judging by some of the lefty zealots on here, he is right. The trouble is that defence of the carnival is deafeningly loud compared to the condemnation of criminality with the usual response of, 'I don't condone criminality'. When you wonder why some people reject mass immigration and multi culture, this is why. Oh and Islamists and slavery and forced marriages and honour killings and witchcraft and organised crime and identity politics and the fact that we are having to concern ourselves with all things multi culture on an almost daily basis. Did I miss anything? Oh wait, ahem, Enoch Powell was right. I wasn't aware there was value in condemning criminality. Just like I don't need to say rape is bad, but its very definition, its wrong. For some reason some people think that by not shouting out the obvious, you're somehow condoning something, that we all collectively believe to be wrong. How many hours would there be in the day if we just went around making a very literal statement of how we felt about every single subject. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Sep 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Did I miss anything?

Oh wait, ahem, Enoch Powell was right.

I wasn't aware there was value in condemning criminality. Just like I don't need to say rape is bad, but its very definition, its wrong.

For some reason some people think that by not shouting out the obvious, you're somehow condoning something, that we all collectively believe to be wrong. How many hours would there be in the day if we just went around making a very literal statement of how we felt about every single subject.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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steeleye20 Croydon 01 Sep 17 5.01pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Cliche maybe but judging by some of the lefty zealots on here, he is right. The trouble is that defence of the carnival is deafeningly loud compared to the condemnation of criminality with the usual response of, 'I don't condone criminality'. When you wonder why some people reject mass immigration and multi culture, this is why. Oh and Islamists and slavery and forced marriages and honour killings and witchcraft and organised crime and identity politics and the fact that we are having to concern ourselves with all things multi culture on an almost daily basis. Did I miss anything? Oh wait, ahem, Enoch Powell was right. 'and the fact that we are having to concern ourselves with all things multi culture on an almost daily basis'. We live in a multi-cultural society, that is what we are.
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Croydon 01 Sep 17 5.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Did I miss anything?

Oh wait, ahem, Enoch Powell was right.

'and the fact that we are having to concern ourselves with all things multi culture on an almost daily basis'.

We live in a multi-cultural society, that is what we are.

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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Sep 17 5.03pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I wasn't aware there was value in condemning criminality. Just like I don't need to say rape is bad, but its very definition, its wrong. For some reason some people think that by not shouting out the obvious, you're somehow condoning something, that we all collectively believe to be wrong. How many hours would there be in the day if we just went around making a very literal statement of how we felt about every single subject. Great response. That's why I like you. One can only judge people's attitude by what they say or don't say. The issue, in this case, is not whether people believe criminality is acceptable or not but how much they will tolerate in order to justify their ideology or serve their own agenda.
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Hrolf The Ganger

01 Sep 17 5.03pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I wasn't aware there was value in condemning criminality. Just like I don't need to say rape is bad, but its very definition, its wrong.

Great response. That's why I like you.

One can only judge people's attitude by what they say or don't say. The issue, in this case, is not whether people believe criminality is acceptable or not but how much they will tolerate in order to justify their ideology or serve their own agenda.

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