This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
North Korea
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
 Bert the Head  Epsom 11 Aug 17 10.08pm |
  |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No. Ah Kermit, you can always be relied upon to stand up for those oppressed.....you know...apart from the actual oppressed minorities within Islam who are beaten, abused and murdered. "oppressed minorities within Islam who are beaten, abused and murdered" Wow someone standing up for Palestine. Great to see. Edited by Bert the Head (11 Aug 2017 10.09pm)
|
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
  |
| Stirlingsays 11 Aug 17 10.10pm |
 |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Bert the Head
"oppressed minorities within Islam who are beaten, abused and murdered" Wow someone standing up for Palestine. Great to see. I think anyone decent has concerns about what goes on in Palestine. Life is unfair and unjust. Pure deflection and whataboutery on your part of course.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
jeeagles  14 Aug 17 8.12pm |
|
|---|---|
|
As the Korean war has never technically ended, a conflict involving north Korea has always been almost inevitable at some point in the future. Maybe tomorrow, or possibly decades away. So far the west has tried to crush the regime with sanctions. In that time the human suffering has only got worse, the people have been brainwashed and they have developed nuclear capabilities. The only way I can see the regime ending is through a war. The Governments grip on power is far too strong. This isn't really a pleasant option to stomach, but I'm yet to here any experts with any other solution. The only alternative I can think of is too keep holding and hope the problem will go away. However, the only other place where I can think of that this has happened is Cuba, and they have been far less threatening for decades. I'm genuinely wondering what alternative a government could adopt. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Aug 17 1.28pm |
|
|---|---|
|
North Korea fires ballistic missile over Japan. Asia is an amazing region - is nobody really bothered about it?
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 29 Aug 17 1.44pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by steeleye20
North Korea fires ballistic missile over Japan. Asia is an amazing region - is nobody really bothered about it?
I'm sure lots of HOLers are. However, as almost all the options boil down to uncounted masses of Koreans dying on both sides of the border, there's not a huge amount of room for productive discussions. I did smile when I saw the Japanese premier quoted as saying that NK's action was an "unprecedented threat". I can think of two very clear precedents.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Lyons550 Shirley 04 Sep 17 9.26am |
|
|---|---|
|
So who do we think we make the first strike? The situation is becoming a parody of an early Bond film...odd looking villain in badly fitting outfits (take your pick as to whether its Trump or KJU), secretive country with mad shouty newsreaders, alleged mad scientist hired to further their Hydrogen bomb development, assassinations all over the world... ...but where's the White fluffy cat? Or the underground cavern with a laser ready to slice opponents in half?
The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Sep 17 10.36am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Lyons550
So who do we think we make the first strike? The situation is becoming a parody of an early Bond film...odd looking villain in badly fitting outfits (take your pick as to whether its Trump or KJU), secretive country with mad shouty newsreaders, alleged mad scientist hired to further their Hydrogen bomb development, assassinations all over the world... ...but where's the White fluffy cat? Or the underground cavern with a laser ready to slice opponents in half? In an ideal world KJU and everyone who supports him, and Trump and everyone who supports him, would all get together and have a drawn out, bare knuckle down to the last man, battle royale. Mostly so we could just close the doors, and roll in the nerve gas. Two birds, one stone.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Sep 17 10.40am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jeeagles
As the Korean war has never technically ended, a conflict involving north Korea has always been almost inevitable at some point in the future. Maybe tomorrow, or possibly decades away. So far the west has tried to crush the regime with sanctions. In that time the human suffering has only got worse, the people have been brainwashed and they have developed nuclear capabilities. The only way I can see the regime ending is through a war. The Governments grip on power is far too strong. This isn't really a pleasant option to stomach, but I'm yet to here any experts with any other solution. The only alternative I can think of is too keep holding and hope the problem will go away. However, the only other place where I can think of that this has happened is Cuba, and they have been far less threatening for decades. I'm genuinely wondering what alternative a government could adopt. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. Likely as not, the long term solution for North Korea is going to be bringing them out of the cold, and flooding their markets with western culture and products. The soviet union couldn't rest that, North Korea won't be able to either. In all likelihood, its a regime that like Iran, requires a state of security and anxiety, and most definitely an omnipresent and potent enemy to retain power. The Soviet Union, was on the ropes certainly, but its death knell was that it couldn't survive once the US wasn't the enemy.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| masonic_palace Gatport Airwick 04 Sep 17 2.51pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Likely as not, the long term solution for North Korea is going to be bringing them out of the cold, and flooding their markets with western culture and products. So all we have to do is open a McDonalds in Pyongyang - sounds like a plan.
404 Signature Not Found |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Lyons550 Shirley 04 Sep 17 2.58pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by masonic_palace
So all we have to do is open a McDonalds in Pyongyang - sounds like a plan. Exactly what went through my mind...that or a Starbucks...
The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Sep 17 3.01pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Irony is their lunatic dictator out to prove himself loves western junk food. Plus I've heard he loves European cheese. Has bundles of the stuff delivered.
COYP |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Sep 17 3.06pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Likely as not, the long term solution for North Korea is going to be bringing them out of the cold, and flooding their markets with western culture and products. The soviet union couldn't rest that, North Korea won't be able to either. In all likelihood, its a regime that like Iran, requires a state of security and anxiety, and most definitely an omnipresent and potent enemy to retain power. The Soviet Union, was on the ropes certainly, but its death knell was that it couldn't survive once the US wasn't the enemy. Once Kim can't pay his military leaders he's screwed. How to get there is the question. China must stop buying raw materials. But Kim is achieving his aim in causing tension between the US and China. If China cooperate it would be easy to isolate North Korea. What do they export? Raw materials, seafood and funny marching YouTube videos?
COYP |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.