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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 5.20pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Is it part of the “effective and serious attempts to reduce poverty, improve literacy and the lives of the poorest in Venezuela" that Corbyn said it was important to recognise (rather than unambiguously condemning shooting people in the street). These should be the goals of all governments, but you can't achieve these through the murder of the opposition. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 08 Aug 17 5.20pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is it part of the “effective and serious attempts to reduce poverty, improve literacy and the lives of the poorest in Venezuela" that Corbyn said it was important to recognise (rather than unambiguously condemning shooting people in the street).

These should be the goals of all governments, but you can't achieve these through the murder of the opposition.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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steeleye20 Croydon 08 Aug 17 5.46pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The army should never be deployed against its own citizens - But yeah when war is declared - its not reasonable to expect those killed by the military to have a full and impartial investigation. That said, the military should not be used for simple foreign policy benefits, rather as a means of combating genuine security risks and existential threats. The military deployment in Iraq was as close to a war crime as it gets, not by the military, but by those who engineered a war for their political expediency - I'm looking at you Tony Blair. That's not correct Tony Blair did everything possible to avoid war which The USA wanted without the UN. Sadaam was required by UN resolutions to state that he did not have weapons of mass destruction which he repeatedly failed not to do. Why we don't know as in fact he did not have. All he had to do was send his representative to cross a NY street and say that. That would have meant the UK not being at war as he had complied with UN resolutions. If you don't answer a summons you will be presumed guilty that's true for all of us. Tony Blair is a lawyer it is his training and what he believes in. Sadaam was a monster but not cunning just stupid. Tony Blair also accepted intelligence which turned out to be wrong so be careful Prime Ministers of just accepting what MI5 etc. say. Although you can't do that as they will say they can't jeopardise their secrecy. Nothing like having your cake and eating it is there.
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Croydon 08 Aug 17 5.46pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The army should never be deployed against its own citizens - But yeah when war is declared - its not reasonable to expect those killed by the military to have a full and impartial investigation.

That said, the military should not be used for simple foreign policy benefits, rather as a means of combating genuine security risks and existential threats.

The military deployment in Iraq was as close to a war crime as it gets, not by the military, but by those who engineered a war for their political expediency - I'm looking at you Tony Blair.

That's not correct Tony Blair did everything possible to avoid war which The USA wanted without the UN.

Sadaam was required by UN resolutions to state that he did not have weapons of mass destruction which he repeatedly failed not to do. Why we don't know as in fact he did not have.

All he had to do was send his representative to cross a NY street and say that.

That would have meant the UK not being at war as he had complied with UN resolutions.

If you don't answer a summons you will be presumed guilty that's true for all of us.

Tony Blair is a lawyer it is his training and what he believes in.

Sadaam was a monster but not cunning just stupid.

Tony Blair also accepted intelligence which turned out to be wrong so be careful Prime Ministers of just accepting what MI5 etc. say.

Although you can't do that as they will say they can't jeopardise their secrecy. Nothing like having your cake and eating it is there.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Aug 17 5.49pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 That's not correct Tony Blair did everything possible to avoid war which The USA wanted without the UN. Sadaam was required by UN resolutions to state that he did not have weapons of mass destruction which he repeatedly failed not to do. Why we don't know as in fact he did not have. All he had to do was send his representative to cross a NY street and say that. That would have meant the UK not being at war as he had complied with UN resolutions. If you don't answer a summons you will be presumed guilty that's true for all of us. Tony Blair is a lawyer it is his training and what he believes in. Sadaam was a monster but not cunning just stupid. Tony Blair also accepted intelligence which turned out to be wrong so be careful Prime Ministers of just accepting what MI5 etc. say. Although you can't do that as they will say they can't jeopardise their secrecy. Nothing like having your cake and eating it is there. Blimey Steeleye, I agree with you on this, good post - what is the world coming to... Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Aug 2017 5.50pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 08 Aug 17 5.49pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's not correct Tony Blair did everything possible to avoid war which The USA wanted without the UN.

Sadaam was required by UN resolutions to state that he did not have weapons of mass destruction which he repeatedly failed not to do. Why we don't know as in fact he did not have.

All he had to do was send his representative to cross a NY street and say that.

That would have meant the UK not being at war as he had complied with UN resolutions.

If you don't answer a summons you will be presumed guilty that's true for all of us.

Tony Blair is a lawyer it is his training and what he believes in.

Sadaam was a monster but not cunning just stupid.

Tony Blair also accepted intelligence which turned out to be wrong so be careful Prime Ministers of just accepting what MI5 etc. say.

Although you can't do that as they will say they can't jeopardise their secrecy. Nothing like having your cake and eating it is there.

Blimey Steeleye, I agree with you on this, good post - what is the world coming to...

Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Aug 2017 5.50pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Aug 17 5.53pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 These should be the goals of all governments, but you can't achieve these through the murder of the opposition. Governments on their own can't achieve these things, you need to encourage and support business to create a successful economy and let market forces work out. The Venezeulan government has done the opposite with predictable results. Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Aug 2017 5.54pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 08 Aug 17 5.53pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

These should be the goals of all governments, but you can't achieve these through the murder of the opposition.

Governments on their own can't achieve these things, you need to encourage and support business to create a successful economy and let market forces work out. The Venezeulan government has done the opposite with predictable results.

Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Aug 2017 5.54pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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elgrande bedford 08 Aug 17 6.05pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 That's not correct Tony Blair did everything possible to avoid war which The USA wanted without the UN. Sadaam was required by UN resolutions to state that he did not have weapons of mass destruction which he repeatedly failed not to do. Why we don't know as in fact he did not have. All he had to do was send his representative to cross a NY street and say that. That would have meant the UK not being at war as he had complied with UN resolutions. If you don't answer a summons you will be presumed guilty that's true for all of us. Tony Blair is a lawyer it is his training and what he believes in. Sadaam was a monster but not cunning just stupid. Tony Blair also accepted intelligence which turned out to be wrong so be careful Prime Ministers of just accepting what MI5 etc. say. Although you can't do that as they will say they can't jeopardise their secrecy. Nothing like having your cake and eating it is there. Bollocks,he was bubba lap dog. He thought Iraq would be his Falklands..and he lied to make it happen along with that thug( I use that word loosely on him) Campbell 2 of the most contemptuous men this country has seen. The way he badgered into the channel four studio...what a w***er. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 08 Aug 17 6.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's not correct Tony Blair did everything possible to avoid war which The USA wanted without the UN.

Sadaam was required by UN resolutions to state that he did not have weapons of mass destruction which he repeatedly failed not to do. Why we don't know as in fact he did not have.

All he had to do was send his representative to cross a NY street and say that.

That would have meant the UK not being at war as he had complied with UN resolutions.

If you don't answer a summons you will be presumed guilty that's true for all of us.

Tony Blair is a lawyer it is his training and what he believes in.

Sadaam was a monster but not cunning just stupid.

Tony Blair also accepted intelligence which turned out to be wrong so be careful Prime Ministers of just accepting what MI5 etc. say.

Although you can't do that as they will say they can't jeopardise their secrecy. Nothing like having your cake and eating it is there.

Bollocks,he was bubba lap dog.
He thought Iraq would be his Falklands..and he lied to make it happen along with that thug( I use that word loosely on him) Campbell 2 of the most contemptuous men this country has seen.
The way he badgered into the channel four studio...what a w***er.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Aug 17 6.11pm
Corbyn's wrong not to condemn Maduro. The press are going way overboard as they're running out of stuff to coat Corbyn with. Where's the palaver in the UK news about other regimes across the world. The only reason Venezuela is in the public eye is it's a means to bash Corbyn.
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Shizzlehurst 08 Aug 17 6.11pm

Corbyn's wrong not to condemn Maduro. The press are going way overboard as they're running out of stuff to coat Corbyn with.
Where's the palaver in the UK news about other regimes across the world.

The only reason Venezuela is in the public eye is it's a means to bash Corbyn.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Aug 17 6.25pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Corbyn's wrong not to condemn Maduro. The press are going way overboard as they're running out of stuff to coat Corbyn with. Where's the palaver in the UK news about other regimes across the world. The only reason Venezuela is in the public eye is it's a means to bash Corbyn. No. It's a perfect and timely reminder of how and why his wonky brand of politics always fails and how the left will bend over backward to cling onto its flawed ideology at any cost.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Corbyn's wrong not to condemn Maduro. The press are going way overboard as they're running out of stuff to coat Corbyn with.
Where's the palaver in the UK news about other regimes across the world.

The only reason Venezuela is in the public eye is it's a means to bash Corbyn.

No. It's a perfect and timely reminder of how and why his wonky brand of politics always fails and how the left will bend over backward to cling onto its flawed ideology at any cost.

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chris123 hove actually 08 Aug 17 6.32pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Corbyn's wrong not to condemn Maduro. The press are going way overboard as they're running out of stuff to coat Corbyn with. Where's the palaver in the UK news about other regimes across the world. The only reason Venezuela is in the public eye is it's a means to bash Corbyn. Well people are starving - so civil war must be a risk if the military stop supporing Maduro. Also Cuba may get involved to protect their oil interests.
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hove actually 08 Aug 17 6.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Corbyn's wrong not to condemn Maduro. The press are going way overboard as they're running out of stuff to coat Corbyn with.
Where's the palaver in the UK news about other regimes across the world.

The only reason Venezuela is in the public eye is it's a means to bash Corbyn.

Well people are starving - so civil war must be a risk if the military stop supporing Maduro. Also Cuba may get involved to protect their oil interests.

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steeleye20 Croydon 08 Aug 17 6.39pm
No its just Corbyn bashing getting quite irritating now. What would really excite the press and TV is for Jeremy to make 'a sexist remark'. This is the media dream and in interviews (including with Trump) every possible means employed to divert the subject to something with the slightest possible sexual connotation. We know you bombed North Korea today but can you clarify what you mean by appearing to look at my legs. Well I didn't. Well we are gong to have to zoom on in about that Mr.President....
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steeleye20

Croydon 08 Aug 17 6.39pm

No its just Corbyn bashing getting quite irritating now.

What would really excite the press and TV is for Jeremy to make 'a sexist remark'.

This is the media dream and in interviews (including with Trump) every possible means employed to divert the subject to something with the slightest possible sexual connotation.

We know you bombed North Korea today but can you clarify what you mean by appearing to look at my legs.

Well I didn't.

Well we are gong to have to zoom on in about that Mr.President....

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Aug 17 6.42pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No. It's a perfect and timely reminder of how and why his wonky brand of politics always fails and how the left will bend over backward to cling onto its flawed ideology at any cost. What's happening in Venezuela isn't socialism.
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Shizzlehurst 08 Aug 17 6.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. It's a perfect and timely reminder of how and why his wonky brand of politics always fails and how the left will bend over backward to cling onto its flawed ideology at any cost.

What's happening in Venezuela isn't socialism.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Aug 17 6.49pm
Originally posted by nickgusset What's happening in Venezuela isn't socialism. Well Corbyn said it was. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 08 Aug 17 6.49pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

What's happening in Venezuela isn't socialism.

Well Corbyn said it was.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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chris123 hove actually 08 Aug 17 6.49pm
Originally posted by nickgusset What's happening in Venezuela isn't socialism. Not socialist enough eh?
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Originally posted by nickgusset

What's happening in Venezuela isn't socialism.

Not socialist enough eh?

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