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jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Aug 17 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
As I have repeatedly stated, they didn't refuse service because of the gay trouble makers gayness, they would have refused a heterosexual too if they wanted the same slogan on the cake. It is you who are being inconsistent in saying it is ok to break the theft laws while championing a perverse judgement in the cake case. If the bakers had discriminated on the grounds of the gay trouble makers gayness, I would agree that they had broken the law. However, in general I think these discrimination laws are of dubious value and that business should be able to serve whoever they like or not. According to you. According to the law, they entered into a legal contract, and then broke it along grounds of discrimination. Had they not taken a deposit they likely would have been able to use that defence. They took the deposit - so clearly its not a policy of the business, but the individual owner - which isn't lawful, the grounds of breaking their contract was discriminatory (otherwise they'd have policies about what can and cannot be ordered). Huh, your defending someone breaking the law, and then stating that its not ok to break the law. I think the law is a moveable feast - it only reflects the present era and is a means of resolving discourses in law going forwards.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 17 10.33am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
According to you. According to the law, they entered into a legal contract, and then broke it along grounds of discrimination. Had they not taken a deposit they likely would have been able to use that defence. They took the deposit - so clearly its not a policy of the business, but the individual owner - which isn't lawful, the grounds of breaking their contract was discriminatory (otherwise they'd have policies about what can and cannot be ordered). Huh, your defending someone breaking the law, and then stating that its not ok to break the law. I think the law is a moveable feast - it only reflects the present era and is a means of resolving discourses in law going forwards.
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Stirlingsays 04 Aug 17 11.55am | |
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Once you accept payment you have to fulfill the order. However, I totally disagree with the premise that a business cannot refuse a job that they do not wish to do. As I stated previously I cannot for the life of me see how churches are allowed to discriminate yet a business isn't. If you allow conscience for one then you allow it for everyone. I'm against this 'forcing' of people. This bakery wasn't refusing to serve people of any sexuality and if a bakery finds a message against its taste I'm sure many others would have taken the work. I wouldn't force an Islamic bakery to create a cake insulting their beliefs and no one should ask others to do either. The law is an ass on this one.
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