What he means is that the country is filling up with Labour voters, AKA immigrants and their offspring, just as Tony Blair hoped, while white middle class birth rates are falling away. You know. The sort of people who are too busy working to demonstrate.

Fair enough, I'll let you get back to your Hindley / Brady shrine.
It's just a joke, but I'll keep repeating it until others join inland eventually you will be tarred with a kid killer apologist

Says the man who thinks Labour will do better.

Fortunately it's fairly easy for me to show you the Tories terrible record as the proof is in front of our noses.

I believe Labour will do better and you have no proof that would suggest otherwise. Your claims that "socialist ideas don't work" is broad brush and lacks any kind of analysis of any sort. Well targeted expansionary fiscal policies and reducing inequality has huge weight of evidence of success behind it and the fact that our public services and infrastructure are crumbling shows that they need proper funding and proper management. The fact that our productivity is so low shows the need for a national industrial strategy, not just leaving things up to the free market, which is inefficient.

Well I guess they've got good weather, booked transport and planned their day out. Rally's can be a good fun day. Get out, meet like minded people, have a few drinks etc
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Whilst this belief about demographics could probably be true, there are no official statistics published for how people voted, just exit & opinion polls.

In the same way that we'll never know if the youth vote helped Labour this time around, we'll never know the % of older Tory voters. Obviously, if come the election in 2050, there's 100% vote for Labour we can look back and say Heseltine (and Gusset) were likely right, but until then these are perceptions only . . .

I'm still waiting for a credible 3rd party to come out of our democratic system and put forward some candidates you can believe in. I can't abide the Tories, but also can't bring myself to vote for Labour - especially as the Labour candidate lived nowhere near the borough. The Lib Dems aren't really credible any more and UKIP were a one issue party, scuppered by their own success in pushing (alongside others) for Brexit.

If there was an MP - or challenger - for Epsom & Ewell who actually seemed to put the local community before party politics, they'd be much more likely to get my vote.

Now - that maybe seems too idealistic (although France has just elected a load of new politicians) so maybe let's see how that works for them over the next year or two.