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Stirlingsays Flag 23 May 17 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Men in Islam are also supposed to dress modestly. But yes I agree, the sentiment is that women who don't dress immodestly, are immoral.

Yep a man should cover navel to knee.......Not really going to cause much of an issue for males that one is it.

But yes, I object to it on the same principle.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 23 May 17 1.34pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

Any human being who kills another in the name of their own cloud monkey, should be wiped from existence, and any one who believes in said Gods Superiority over others.

It's like killing someone over the "who's harder Batman or Superman" argument.

Just beggars belief that 22 people including children have had there life snuffed out because of some baseless antiquated bulls***.


Thats what Religion boils down to though...my gang vs your gang

 


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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 23 May 17 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Many women around the world are forced to wear the hijab. While I have no problem with it being worn freely I am aware of the context within its use....ie...women and 'modest dress'. I don't like the implication that women who dress immodestly are doing something wrong.

The women I know who wear one do so in this country of their own will because they want to although obviously there is AlWAYS the argument they are conforming to expectations or doing what they feel they have to rather than really want to.

Do you think this particular concert and artist was chosen with that ideology in mind. Young girls and boys out listening to music ( a Muslim school friend wasn't allowed posters of her favourite pop stars in her bedroom as her parents take on the religion believed you shouldn't worship or idolize anyone other than the prophet Mohammed) or was it a case of any concert would have done and it just happened to be this one.

 


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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 23 May 17 1.41pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Would my Eagles spandex hotpants be allowed?

Oh no siree. Breaks the naval to knee rule. 50 lashes for you

 


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NKEagle Flag Pyongyang 23 May 17 1.48pm Send a Private Message to NKEagle Add NKEagle as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

First and foremost, a tragic day for all those affected.

On the point of Religious Fundamentalism, I disagree that Islam is unique as a world religion atm. Around 30% of Americans are Evangelicals, who believe the Biblenis thenliteral word of God, that Jesus will be reborn in theirnlifetime and that America should 'spread' God's message. Evangelicals are the fastest growing segment of the church globally.

That is a group from which numerous mass murderers, war mongers and race hate groups have stemmed from, not just recently, but for well over a hundred years. The emergence of global Islamic terrorism is fairly recent, probably dating to the Gulf war and formation of Hezbollah. To tackle it, we have to stop leaving countries like Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Yemen and Iraq in anarchy.

Wholeheartedly agree about with you about meddling in Middle Eastern countries. Unless you count the obtaining of oil, nothing good has ever come from it in the long run.

However, to suggest that American evangelicals are anywhere close to the level of evil of groups like the one that carried out last night's atrocity is intellectually dishonest. American evangelicals are as horrified as most others by events like this.

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 23 May 17 1.51pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

The women I know who wear one do so in this country of their own will because they want to although obviously there is AlWAYS the argument they are conforming to expectations or doing what they feel they have to rather than really want to.

Agreed, if you get told anything often enough it becomes the norm, Stockholm Syndrome being a case in point

Do you think this particular concert and artist was chosen with that ideology in mind. Young girls and boys out listening to music ( a Muslim school friend wasn't allowed posters of her favourite pop stars in her bedroom as her parents take on the religion believed you shouldn't worship or idolize anyone other than the prophet Mohammed) or was it a case of any concert would have done and it just happened to be this one.

I think (knowing the MO of the bat s*** mental fundamentalist first hand) the Concert will have been targeted because it literally reeks of western values, it's also my belief that the terrorist would have known exactly the demographic of the audience would have been. IMO this was not a random act of a lone mentalist, like the guy who shot the MP, or the nutjob who killed people in London including a copper.

This was a planned and calculated attack, that by nature of the mechanism of delivery was NOT IMO a one man band lone wolf or any such thing.

Time to deploy the UKSFG on the mainland and infiltrate and destroy these f***ers.



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Edited by dannyh (23 May 2017 1.58pm)

 


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stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 23 May 17 1.55pm Send a Private Message to stuckinbristol Add stuckinbristol as a friend

Honest question, has the attacker , or their cause, been named yet? Or is everyone just presuming?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 23 May 17 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

The women I know who wear one do so in this country of their own will because they want to although obviously there is AlWAYS the argument they are conforming to expectations or doing what they feel they have to rather than really want to.

Do you think this particular concert and artist was chosen with that ideology in mind. Young girls and boys out listening to music ( a Muslim school friend wasn't allowed posters of her favourite pop stars in her bedroom as her parents take on the religion believed you shouldn't worship or idolize anyone other than the prophet Mohammed) or was it a case of any concert would have done and it just happened to be this one.

There are a lot of sources against music for pleasure in Islam. I worked with an Islamic science teacher, a nice chap in lots of ways (they wouldn't let him touch evolution though) Well anyway he would never get involved in any music related activities even though he'd do pretty much anything else.

I'm pretty critical of mainstream Islam and I believe reformers should be strongly backed to help secularise but there are limited 'interpretations' of the religion that can be connected to attacks like this. Each individual deserves to be treated as an individual. Many Muslims fight ISIS and die fighting them. The distinction is a valid one.

I guess we will find out the precise motivations of the attacker(s) in time.....though this is in a sense a broken record...no pun intended.

 


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NKEagle Flag Pyongyang 23 May 17 1.58pm Send a Private Message to NKEagle Add NKEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

True or not, we don't live in America. It is irrelevant.
My attitude to religion has no prejudice. I loathe all of it. But I am capable of recognising which particular group are producing the people who are murdering my countryman.
I'm not interested in religious Top Trumps. Why are you?

The point about the us is a function of the fact that there are barely any Islamic fundamentalists in the u.s., and there are millions of evangelical Christians Anything you can think of, good or bad, is done more often in the u.s. by evangelical christians , by many orders of magnitude.

And what sort of person's knee jerk reaction to last night is to immediately bring up u.s. christians?

 

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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 23 May 17 1.58pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by stuckinbristol

Honest question, has the attacker , or their cause, been named yet? Or is everyone just presuming?

I have itv news on right now. They know the identity of the attacker but he or she has not been named yet. They believe due to operational reasons.

 


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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 23 May 17 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh


Edited by dannyh (23 May 2017 1.51pm)

Edited by dannyh (23 May 2017 1.58pm)

Yes they do believe from news chat on tv that one person as in the lone wolf having the knowledge or expertise to construct a device like this and it to actually work is very unlikely although it's not impossible .

Being a military man what do you honestly believe should or could be done. Say you woke up tomorrow with the key to 10 downing street in your hand. What would you do. Bearing in mind some terrorists are home grown and born here so the idea we deport them all becomes complicated by this fact.

You also charter into difficult territory when you start locking up people suspected of planning or being sympathisers when they haven't actually committed any crime. Guantanamo bay being case in point. If we employ these tactics we run a real risk of more people turning against us and becoming radicalized or at least identifying with the extremists

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 May 17 2.06pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by NKEagle

The point about the us is a function of the fact that there are barely any Islamic fundamentalists in the u.s., and there are millions of evangelical Christians Anything you can think of, good or bad, is done more often in the u.s. by evangelical christians , by many orders of magnitude.

And what sort of person's knee jerk reaction to last night is to immediately bring up u.s. christians?

I think you know the answer.

 

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