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  Hrolf The Ganger  01 Apr 17 2.28pm |
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Still waiting Nick.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Apr 17 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I never said that. Stop letting your imagination run away with you. You tend to be the one who cherry picks tit bits of information to suit your loony agendas *Kettle pot*
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 6.46pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
You tend to be the one who cherry picks tit bits of information to suit your loony agendas *Kettle pot* What is my 'loony agenda' then?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Apr 17 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What is my 'loony agenda' then? To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service? Sounds fair to me. Public ownership of national assets is a lot more patriotic than allowing French, Chinese etc etc firms run them for profit.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Still waiting Nick.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Apr 17 8.15pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Sounds fair to me. Public ownership of national assets is a lot more patriotic than allowing French, Chinese etc etc firms run them for profit. I know it sounds fair, but it is the exact policy implemented by every communist state and it has failed in all of them.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 8.22pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I know it sounds fair, but it is the exact policy implemented by every communist state and it has failed in all of them. I'm not sure that it was followed exactly. Renationalisation of many services and amenities has majority support in this country. You call yourself patriotic no doubt, but seem quite happy to let foreign concerns profit from what should be national assets.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Apr 17 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Renationalisation of many services and amenities has majority support in this country. You call yourself patriotic no doubt, but seem quite happy to let foreign concerns profit from what should be national assets. You don't think all means of production, distribution and exchange were under state control in communist states?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 9.14pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
You don't think all means of production, distribution and exchange were under state control in communist states? Apart from freedom of movement it seems.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Apr 17 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Apart from freedom of movement it seems. How could a fully planned socialist state allow freedom of movement? By definition it would mean unplanned movements of people. How can you plan your 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs', when the 'each' is a constantly moving target.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 11.08pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
How could a fully planned socialist state allow freedom of movement? By definition it would mean unplanned movements of people. How can you plan your 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs', when the 'each' is a constantly moving target. I was referring to your 'freedoms' comment. You like freedoms, except freedom of movement, fair enough. Helping other humans shouldn't be a left / right issue. I think we should do whatever we can to help those fleeing war terror or persecution, not build walls and shut them out. You don't it would seem. Edited by nickgusset (01 Apr 2017 11.13pm)
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