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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 03 Apr 17 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Sorry have I mentioned ALL Muslims..I am talking about the ones who have committed these crimes....they are sexual hate crimes..and I hope they get their bullocks chopped off with a rusty razor blade. Not you specifically, but this is a public forum so people should know who I'm on about. Is this rusty blade a bit blunt too?
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  Hrolf The Ganger 03 Apr 17 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Not you specifically, but this is a public forum so people should know who I'm on about. Is this rusty blade a bit blunt too? Who? Who exactly has blamed 'all Muslims' on this site? Is this more Gusset nonsense I wonder?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Apr 17 11.54am |
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Simple, a Christian man abuses children, we don't report on his religion unless he's in a position within that organisations. Also, I suspect back in the 90s, and early 2000s it wouldn't have been reported if the offender was Muslim, Jewish, Shinto, Buddhist or anything other than some weird sect. The problem is, the focus on being Muslim become linguistically synonymous with Terrorist and child molester supports an agenda in society, that pursues an agenda based on ethnic exclusion.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 17 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Simple, a Christian man abuses children, we don't report on his religion unless he's in a position within that organisations. Also, I suspect back in the 90s, and early 2000s it wouldn't have been reported if the offender was Muslim, Jewish, Shinto, Buddhist or anything other than some weird sect. The problem is, the focus on being Muslim become linguistically synonymous with Terrorist and child molester supports an agenda in society, that pursues an agenda based on ethnic exclusion. This stuff just supports preconceived prejudices and suspicions. Those who are wary of multi culture are not dissuaded from that position when there are numerous examples that appear to confirm their fears. You cannot point the finger at the doubters when the very sort of things they predicted seem to be happening.
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| Part Time James 04 Apr 17 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Simple, a Christian man abuses children, we don't report on his religion unless he's in a position within that organisations. Also, I suspect back in the 90s, and early 2000s it wouldn't have been reported if the offender was Muslim, Jewish, Shinto, Buddhist or anything other than some weird sect. The problem is, the focus on being Muslim become linguistically synonymous with Terrorist and child molester supports an agenda in society, that pursues an agenda based on ethnic exclusion. Not agreeing nor disagreeing with you at all here, but is there as much heat on Muslims that gang rape someone in a predominantly Muslim country, or is it only when they do so on historically non-Muslim territory? Purely playing devil's advocate, but if a white Christian male went on a crime spree in a predominantly Muslim country [insert a crime that would be equally heinous in said country], would their news broadcasters mention his religion in that circumstance? I'd guess "yes".
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Apr 17 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This stuff just supports preconceived prejudices and suspicions. Those who are wary of multi culture are not dissuaded from that position when there are numerous examples that appear to confirm their fears. You cannot point the finger at the doubters when the very sort of things they predicted seem to be happening. Its pretty tragic that people seem to live a life defined by their fears and insecurities about things they perceive as different. Rather than actually find out the realities. People who are fearful of multi culture would have been just as unhappy and angry without immigration - Even before terms like multiculturalism were bounded around, the same kind of people acted with disdain, fear and moral object at cultural subgroups in society that weren't ethnic.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Apr 17 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Not agreeing nor disagreeing with you at all here, but is there as much heat on Muslims that gang rape someone in a predominantly Muslim country, or is it only when they do so on historically non-Muslim territory? Purely playing devil's advocate, but if a white Christian male went on a crime spree in a predominantly Muslim country [insert a crime that would be equally heinous in said country], would their news broadcasters mention his religion in that circumstance? I'd guess "yes". And that would also be wrong, because it also serves the agenda of placing complex social problems onto simple generalisations. Of course it definitely helps the Police forces and social workers involved to claim it was 'fear of political correctness that made us afraid to report people raping children'. Sorry, but if you're afraid of political correctness preventing you from acting on rape of children - you shouldn't be in the police force or social services. The whole thing distracts from the real issue of the story, which isn't about Muslims, but how the f**k did they get away with it, and holding not just those who committed the offences to account, but those who surrendered their legal obligation to do something about it. So while everyone can get their Muslim hate focus on, the police and social services get a pass.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 17 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its pretty tragic that people seem to live a life defined by their fears and insecurities about things they perceive as different. Rather than actually find out the realities. People who are fearful of multi culture would have been just as unhappy and angry without immigration - Even before terms like multiculturalism were bounded around, the same kind of people acted with disdain, fear and moral object at cultural subgroups in society that weren't ethnic. That is rather a psychologists way of looking at it. One could us the analogy of being told to look both ways before crossing the road. If you don't and keep getting run over, you could just start looking both ways or blame the road or discuss the fear of being run over. Practical problems require practical solutions regardless of source. I certainly don't spend my hours in fear of immigrants but then nor do I fear being run over. I will still look both ways if I cross a road though.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Apr 17 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is rather a psychologists way of looking at it. One could us the analogy of being told to look both ways before crossing the road. If you don't and keep getting run over, you could just start looking both ways or blame the road or discuss the fear of being run over. But empirically, there is an explicit and empirically established danger involved in crossing a road - Backed up by research that demonstrates you reduce the risk of being run over by looking both ways. A more correct expression, I think, of your analogy, would be to blame the car for running down pedestrians (rather than the driver, his decisions). Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Practical problems require practical solutions regardless of source. I certainly don't spend my hours in fear of immigrants but then nor do I fear being run over. I will still look both ways if I cross a road though. Its not a practical solution though, as I pointed out, the issue isn't with people being Muslim, or the girls being white, but the shocking failure of the child care system and police to actually do their job - Again. Its the care home abuse scandals all over again. But if we focus on the failures of the social care system and policing, we might have to face some very unpleasant truths about funding, and the systematic tax cuts that have been used to win elections for the last 40 years. The Muslim aspect isn't practical at all. Practical means looking at a problem and resolving the obvious factors inherent in the problem.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 17 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its not a practical solution though, as I pointed out, the issue isn't with people being Muslim, or the girls being white, but the shocking failure of the child care system and police to actually do their job - Again. Its the care home abuse scandals all over again. But if we focus on the failures of the social care system and policing, we might have to face some very unpleasant truths about funding, and the systematic tax cuts that have been used to win elections for the last 40 years. The Muslim aspect isn't practical at all. Practical means looking at a problem and resolving the obvious factors inherent in the problem. I see you reasoning here but the Muslim element is debatable. I would argue that as with the limits on lifestyle placed on Catholic priests and their exposure to the temptation of alter boys, the same applies to the rules relating to the chastity of Muslim women and the availability of vulnerable young white girls.
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| elgrande bedford 04 Apr 17 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I see you reasoning here but the Muslim element is debatable. I would argue that as with the limits on lifestyle placed on Catholic priests and their exposure to the temptation of alter boys, the same applies to the rules relating to the chastity of Muslim women and the availability of vulnerable young white girls. That's a very good point,exploitation is the key thing here.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Apr 17 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I see you reasoning here but the Muslim element is debatable. I would argue that as with the limits on lifestyle placed on Catholic priests and their exposure to the temptation of alter boys, the same applies to the rules relating to the chastity of Muslim women and the availability of vulnerable young white girls. Are they in a specific position as 'Muslims' to abuse young girls though, surely the specific cause of the systemic abuse is the failure of those assigned to protect those children to act. Nothing really about being Muslim put them in a position of authority to exploit those girls (such as a Priest or Care Worker). The failure of social services, child welfare officers and the police are very much the cause by which these men could prey on these girls, and get away with it for so long.
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