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hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Mar 17 5.15pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Its not "left Wing Analysis" I said it was the Republican point of view. Because it was the Republican point of view. I didnt say it was right or that I agreed with it but it was the IRA's policy throughout the Troubles. You really can be a t* sometimes Hedgehog Perhaps not, but you express it as some sort of excuse for the IRA psychopaths. A common tactic by the left when they act as apologists for various terrorist groups whose 'causes' they somewhat approve of. Being called a t* by the likes of you is like being called 'lanky' by Peter Crouch. Edited by hedgehog50 (22 Mar 2017 5.17pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 22 Mar 17 5.15pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Its not "left Wing Analysis" I said it was the Republican point of view. Because it was the Republican point of view. I didnt say it was right or that I agreed with it but it was the IRA's policy throughout the Troubles.

You really can be a t*** sometimes Hedgehog

Perhaps not, but you express it as some sort of excuse for the IRA psychopaths. A common tactic by the left when they act as apologists for various terrorist groups whose 'causes' they somewhat approve of.
Being called a t*** by the likes of you is like being called 'lanky' by Peter Crouch.

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 5.20pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Perhaps not, but you express it as some sort of excuse for the IRA psychopaths. Being called a t*** by the likes of you is like being called 'lanky' by Peter Crouch. I have made no excuse whatsover. you have absolutely no ability to see another point of view at all do you. Anyone who disagrees with you has to be attacked. Sad Edited by hedgehog50 (22 Mar 2017 5.16pm)
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Sedlescombe 22 Mar 17 5.20pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Perhaps not, but you express it as some sort of excuse for the IRA psychopaths. Being called a t*** by the likes of you is like being called 'lanky' by Peter Crouch.

I have made no excuse whatsover. you have absolutely no ability to see another point of view at all do you. Anyone who disagrees with you has to be attacked. Sad

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 22 Mar 17 5.32pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe I think you made an entirely fair point and I didnt meant to sound like I was interpreting it as people being uncaring. The point I was trying to make was that the IRA wanted to make the conflict something happening close to home rather than it happening "overseas" Yes drag people into it. All those who didn't understand it or didn't have a viewpoint one way or another were soon made to be involved with an opinion. I was very little when the ira were at their peak in the 1980s and early 90s so I didn't live it as such but if the ira were attempting to get people to take sides it didn't exactly help or bolster their cause by coming here and killing 'us' as it were When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Michaelawt85

Bexley 22 Mar 17 5.32pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

I think you made an entirely fair point and I didnt meant to sound like I was interpreting it as people being uncaring. The point I was trying to make was that the IRA wanted to make the conflict something happening close to home rather than it happening "overseas"

Yes drag people into it. All those who didn't understand it or didn't have a viewpoint one way or another were soon made to be involved with an opinion. I was very little when the ira were at their peak in the 1980s and early 90s so I didn't live it as such but if the ira were attempting to get people to take sides it didn't exactly help or bolster their cause by coming here and killing 'us' as it were

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 22 Mar 17 5.41pm
A few memories from that time I do have though. I remember the day the ira bombed the docklands. I had been in hospital having an operation and when I came home it was all over the bbc news. My grandparents lived in chiswick and at weekends we often went by train and tube to visit them. Can remember having a sweet wrapper to go in the bin and couldn't understand why there were no bins in the train station to put my litter. When I asked my mum why I still to this day remember her saying it's because the ira keep coming over here and putting bombs in them. Also my brother wanting to join the army and being told he would most likely end up touring northern Ireland at least one with the green jackets. Parents refused to sign the papers for him to do it.. not wanting him to be gun fodder... All rather simplistic but sums up the feelings of people who weren't connected with Ireland When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 22 Mar 17 5.41pm

A few memories from that time I do have though. I remember the day the ira bombed the docklands. I had been in hospital having an operation and when I came home it was all over the bbc news.

My grandparents lived in chiswick and at weekends we often went by train and tube to visit them. Can remember having a sweet wrapper to go in the bin and couldn't understand why there were no bins in the train station to put my litter. When I asked my mum why I still to this day remember her saying it's because the ira keep coming over here and putting bombs in them.

Also my brother wanting to join the army and being told he would most likely end up touring northern Ireland at least one with the green jackets. Parents refused to sign the papers for him to do it.. not wanting him to be gun fodder...

All rather simplistic but sums up the feelings of people who weren't connected with Ireland

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 17 6.00pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Yes drag people into it. All those who didn't understand it or didn't have a viewpoint one way or another were soon made to be involved with an opinion. I was very little when the ira were at their peak in the 1980s and early 90s so I didn't live it as such but if the ira were attempting to get people to take sides it didn't exactly help or bolster their cause by coming here and killing 'us' as it were It kind of did, at least in theory. There is a concept of 'revolutionary movements' called vanguard theory. Effectively by conducting attacks, the British would react with reprisals against the Irish Community, which in turn would force people who 'were sympathetic' to become members, whilst isolating moderates from support within those communities. The IRA didn't care about what the British thought about the bombings, but how they reacted to them. They wanted the British to crack down on republicans in the UK; They wanted things like the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 - Because it 'proved their point' and create more support, more funding and more members. The only groups outside of Irish Republicans that the Provos cared about in terms of opinion were probably the PLO, the Libyans and The Americans (and to a less extent FARC and ETA in the later 80s and 90s) because that's where money, explosives and guns were coming from (the Provos would sell bomb making experts to FARC long after the peace process and I suspect FARC paid for this with cocaine - which would likely be sold in Ireland or traded elsewhere for weapons). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Mar 17 6.00pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

It kind of did, at least in theory. There is a concept of 'revolutionary movements' called vanguard theory. Effectively by conducting attacks, the British would react with reprisals against the Irish Community, which in turn would force people who 'were sympathetic' to become members, whilst isolating moderates from support within those communities.

The IRA didn't care about what the British thought about the bombings, but how they reacted to them. They wanted the British to crack down on republicans in the UK; They wanted things like the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 - Because it 'proved their point' and create more support, more funding and more members.

The only groups outside of Irish Republicans that the Provos cared about in terms of opinion were probably the PLO, the Libyans and The Americans (and to a less extent FARC and ETA in the later 80s and 90s) because that's where money, explosives and guns were coming from (the Provos would sell bomb making experts to FARC long after the peace process and I suspect FARC paid for this with cocaine - which would likely be sold in Ireland or traded elsewhere for weapons).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 17 6.08pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 A few memories from that time I do have though. I remember the day the ira bombed the docklands. I had been in hospital having an operation and when I came home it was all over the bbc news. My grandparents lived in chiswick and at weekends we often went by train and tube to visit them. Can remember having a sweet wrapper to go in the bin and couldn't understand why there were no bins in the train station to put my litter. When I asked my mum why I still to this day remember her saying it's because the ira keep coming over here and putting bombs in them. Also my brother wanting to join the army and being told he would most likely end up touring northern Ireland at least one with the green jackets. Parents refused to sign the papers for him to do it.. not wanting him to be gun fodder... All rather simplistic but sums up the feelings of people who weren't connected with Ireland My mates mum was blown up at Harrods, although she only suffered concussion. Two of my fathers brothers served in Northern Ireland, one of them did four tours in the late sixties and through the 70s. Some of the pubs when I was a teenager in Reading were 'Irish Pubs' that collected money 'for the cause' and no go pubs as a result (big Irish community in Reading). I was caught up in a bomb scare involving reading station (which had been bombed once, and had a bomb defused). During the early 90s I was at Paddington College, which was behind Paddington Green Police Station (where they held IRA suspects) and as a result we had occasional evacuations and warnings not to use certain streets. Some people, who my father knew, and I'd played with their kids, were arrested under the prevention of terrorism act (but later released). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Mar 17 6.08pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

A few memories from that time I do have though. I remember the day the ira bombed the docklands. I had been in hospital having an operation and when I came home it was all over the bbc news.

All rather simplistic but sums up the feelings of people who weren't connected with Ireland

My mates mum was blown up at Harrods, although she only suffered concussion. Two of my fathers brothers served in Northern Ireland, one of them did four tours in the late sixties and through the 70s.

Some of the pubs when I was a teenager in Reading were 'Irish Pubs' that collected money 'for the cause' and no go pubs as a result (big Irish community in Reading).

Some people, who my father knew, and I'd played with their kids, were arrested under the prevention of terrorism act (but later released).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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elgrande bedford 22 Mar 17 6.15pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 It kind of did, at least in theory. There is a concept of 'revolutionary movements' called vanguard theory. Effectively by conducting attacks, the British would react with reprisals against the Irish Community, which in turn would force people who 'were sympathetic' to become members, whilst isolating moderates from support within those communities. The IRA didn't care about what the British thought about the bombings, but how they reacted to them. They wanted the British to crack down on republicans in the UK; They wanted things like the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 - Because it 'proved their point' and create more support, more funding and more members. The only groups outside of Irish Republicans that the Provos cared about in terms of opinion were probably the PLO, the Libyans and The Americans (and to a less extent FARC and ETA in the later 80s and 90s) because that's where money, explosives and guns were coming from (the Provos would sell bomb making experts to FARC long after the peace process and I suspect FARC paid for this with cocaine - which would likely be sold in Ireland or traded elsewhere for weapons). Nirad was the chief paymaster for the IRA,and although it has been said before on this thread,but after 9/11.I know that happened after the first peace process,but their money dried up massively after the attack. Peace or prison. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 22 Mar 17 6.15pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Nirad was the chief paymaster for the IRA,and although it has been said before on this thread,but after 9/11.I know that happened after the first peace process,but their money dried up massively after the attack.

Peace or prison.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Mar 17 6.25pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 A few memories from that time I do have though. I remember the day the ira bombed the docklands. I had been in hospital having an operation and when I came home it was all over the bbc news. My grandparents lived in chiswick and at weekends we often went by train and tube to visit them. Can remember having a sweet wrapper to go in the bin and couldn't understand why there were no bins in the train station to put my litter. When I asked my mum why I still to this day remember her saying it's because the ira keep coming over here and putting bombs in them. Also my brother wanting to join the army and being told he would most likely end up touring northern Ireland at least one with the green jackets. Parents refused to sign the papers for him to do it.. not wanting him to be gun fodder... All rather simplistic but sums up the feelings of people who weren't connected with Ireland In 1976 I was working in Regent Street in central London. I was walking to Oxford Circus tube station to get a train as part of my journey back to Croydon when the police came running towards us telling us to clear the area as there was a bomb in the station. They defused it - a 30-pound (14 kg) bomb was found in a small case. I got the bus for a few weeks after that. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 22 Mar 17 6.25pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

A few memories from that time I do have though. I remember the day the ira bombed the docklands. I had been in hospital having an operation and when I came home it was all over the bbc news.

All rather simplistic but sums up the feelings of people who weren't connected with Ireland

In 1976 I was working in Regent Street in central London. I was walking to Oxford Circus tube station to get a train as part of my journey back to Croydon when the police came running towards us telling us to clear the area as there was a bomb in the station. They defused it - a 30-pound (14 kg) bomb was found in a small case. I got the bus for a few weeks after that.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 Mar 17 6.32pm
I remember having a school trip to London cancelled because of the bombings Chelsea barracks bombing, I was on guard duty at Princess Marina College in Arborfield and instead of a pick axe handle being given an SLR. I was pretty scared, no perimeter fence people just came and went as they pleased. Getting into a car with my cousin based in Germany but scrambling around on the floor to check for bombs as he had military plates. Docklands bomb, doing a delivery a couple of days later and the amount of glass that had been blown out was staggering the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 Mar 17 6.32pm

I remember having a school trip to London cancelled because of the bombings

Chelsea barracks bombing, I was on guard duty at Princess Marina College in Arborfield and instead of a pick axe handle being given an SLR. I was pretty scared, no perimeter fence people just came and went as they pleased.

Getting into a car with my cousin based in Germany but scrambling around on the floor to check for bombs as he had military plates.

Docklands bomb, doing a delivery a couple of days later and the amount of glass that had been blown out was staggering

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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reborn 22 Mar 17 8.05pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 A ferocious terrorist/war adversary and a ferocious peace maker. The man was interesting I'll give him that. I hated the IRA, but if I'd been Catholic growing up in Belfast, I'd probably have been in it. My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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reborn 22 Mar 17 8.05pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

A ferocious terrorist/war adversary and a ferocious peace maker.

The man was interesting I'll give him that.

I hated the IRA, but if I'd been Catholic growing up in Belfast, I'd probably have been in it.

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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OldFella London 23 Mar 17 12.44am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 My mates mum was blown up at Harrods, although she only suffered concussion. Two of my fathers brothers served in Northern Ireland, one of them did four tours in the late sixties and through the 70s. Some of the pubs when I was a teenager in Reading were 'Irish Pubs' that collected money 'for the cause' and no go pubs as a result (big Irish community in Reading). I was caught up in a bomb scare involving reading station (which had been bombed once, and had a bomb defused). During the early 90s I was at Paddington College, which was behind Paddington Green Police Station (where they held IRA suspects) and as a result we had occasional evacuations and warnings not to use certain streets. Some people, who my father knew, and I'd played with their kids, were arrested under the prevention of terrorism act (but later released). Made me laugh out loud. You have got to be related to Paul Nuttall. Sorry for your loss at Hillsborough, and hope you played well at Tranmere Rovers. What a load of BS/hogwash! Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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OldFella

London 23 Mar 17 12.44am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

My mates mum was blown up at Harrods, although she only suffered concussion. Two of my fathers brothers served in Northern Ireland, one of them did four tours in the late sixties and through the 70s.

Some of the pubs when I was a teenager in Reading were 'Irish Pubs' that collected money 'for the cause' and no go pubs as a result (big Irish community in Reading).

I was caught up in a bomb scare involving reading station (which had been bombed once, and had a bomb defused). During the early 90s I was at Paddington College, which was behind Paddington Green Police Station (where they held IRA suspects) and as a result we had occasional evacuations and warnings not to use certain streets.

Some people, who my father knew, and I'd played with their kids, were arrested under the prevention of terrorism act (but later released).

Made me laugh out loud. You have got to be related to Paul Nuttall. Sorry for your loss at Hillsborough, and hope you played well at Tranmere Rovers. What a load of BS/hogwash!

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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OldFella London 23 Mar 17 12.48am
Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot He is without doubt anti British who hides behind his true feelings, dressing them up as being a 'proud Irishman If he wasn't a pro footballer I've no doubt he would be sitting in a squat in Derry getting high and rambling on about those 'b**** Brits' blah blah blah. McLean is a c.... Mcguiness was a c** on a far grander scale. He opted for peace and to go straight for no other reason than to stop himself spending the rest of his life in prison. He didn't do it for the people... He did it to save his own skin after years of murdering and butchering innocent people. KBLF absolutely SPOT ON. One of the very few posts on HOL worth reading on this murderous coward. MI5 and the SAS had his number, and he bottled it to save his freedom. Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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London 23 Mar 17 12.48am

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

He is without doubt anti British who hides behind his true feelings, dressing them up as being a 'proud Irishman

If he wasn't a pro footballer I've no doubt he would be sitting in a squat in Derry getting high and rambling on about those 'b****** Brits' blah blah blah.

McLean is a c***....

Mcguiness was a c*** on a far grander scale. He opted for peace and to go straight for no other reason than to stop himself spending the rest of his life in prison. He didn't do it for the people... He did it to save his own skin after years of murdering and butchering innocent people.

KBLF absolutely SPOT ON. One of the very few posts on HOL worth reading on this murderous coward. MI5 and the SAS had his number, and he bottled it to save his freedom.

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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