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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 16 12.07pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

"Palace cannot defend for toffee"

jeff Stelling, 10th December

Pardew Out

Charlie Nicholas wasn't too complimentary about Palace and Pardew yesterday either as he was doing the commentary on our match.

Sadly, Pardew's future remains in the hands of Steve Parrish and he seems to be content with things on and off the pitch right now.

As I've said on another thread, we have a great squad which is good enough to be top 10 PL, but with Pardew's guidance is flirting with relegation to the Championship because of his lack of defensive nous.

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 11 Dec 16 12.15pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Possibly because the thread wasn't in anyway similar to this but more to point I was still 100% unsure about Pardew whilst people like you were rimming him and praising our "free flowing football" haha.

Then you got all brave behind your computer screen and starting firing abuse my way like a lot do on here because I had a different opinion to you and wasn't blindly sucking "super Als" genitals. So I thought instead of getting into some keyboard debate I'd speak with you directly to see how you'd feel about having this chat before a game instead. Unsurprisingly, like a lot on here, you'd rather not and I'm guessing because you wouldn't feel even half as assertive in your abuse when it comes to a real life situation.

I don't care if you take me seriously, you didn't take me seriously last year when I questioned what wasn't so great about pardew and now we have the worst record in English football so maybe there was something in what I was saying. Carry on not taking me seriously, still gonna say what I think.

Grow up. I didnt "get brave" behind my keyboard. You know nothing about me and what i have done in my life. Ive got shoes older than you. I dont abuse people on here i try to argue points as articulately as i can. You are the one who seems obsessed with rimming and APs testicles. As i said after 2 games last season you were whinging and then threw a tantrum when i replied "we are 2 games in for christ sake". Then went quiet after our good start. Again. Grow up.

 

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NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 11 Dec 16 12.47pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

This is a prime example of the abuse, just because you live in a dream world and worship an arrogant, clueless c*** who ironically talks about how our new owners know nothing about football (J'd argue neither does he).

I'm a tosser, why exactly? What the f*** is wrong with preferring the last 4 years as a palace fan than the rest of them and wanting it to continue for as long as possible? Please explain

If you are accepting that you know nothing about the club's history, and think it is irrelevant to where we are now what does that tell us?

All I have said is that "an arrogant, clueless, c***" (as you call him) has been responsible for two of the best seasons in 111 years (which is a fact), and that people who are abusive of him and his record are, in essence, clueless if they ignore that. That does not mean change is not warranted, and I certainly didn't want him as manager to start with. But it does make it clear who you are: and the words self entitled, narcissistic, and poseur, do seem to fit quite well.

 


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NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 11 Dec 16 12.49pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Charlie Nicholas wasn't too complimentary about Palace and Pardew yesterday either as he was doing the commentary on our match.

Sadly, Pardew's future remains in the hands of Steve Parrish and he seems to be content with things on and off the pitch right now.

As I've said on another thread, we have a great squad which is good enough to be top 10 PL, but with Pardew's guidance is flirting with relegation to the Championship because of his lack of defensive nous.

I agree about the need to change to bring in some defensive nous, but I really don't think we have a good squad. Good first eleven, and a couple of good back ups, but that is about it.

 


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fed up eagle Flag Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 11 Dec 16 1.25pm Send a Private Message to fed up eagle Add fed up eagle as a friend

There is no doubt that 2016 has been a disasterous year for us. Six measly wins since Xmas is by anyone's standards PATHETIC. Again and again the same old pig headed and arrogant mistakes have cost us points. Pardew's future should be under threat and I'm surprised by Parishes' stance on this subject. Maybe he's letting his heart rule his head on this one. Pardew is tactically dyslexic, he won't admit when he's wrong and he's at the helm of a squad who could be easily idling along in mid table, instead they are flirting with relegation. He is not the answer for us and we need to be parting the ways with him, the sooner the better.

 

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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 11 Dec 16 1.39pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by fed up eagle

There is no doubt that 2016 has been a disasterous year for us. Six measly wins since Xmas is by anyone's standards PATHETIC. Again and again the same old pig headed and arrogant mistakes have cost us points. Pardew's future should be under threat and I'm surprised by Parishes' stance on this subject. Maybe he's letting his heart rule his head on this one. Pardew is tactically dyslexic, he won't admit when he's wrong and he's at the helm of a squad who could be easily idling along in mid table, instead they are flirting with relegation. He is not the answer for us and we need to be parting the ways with him, the sooner the better.

Parish is a fan as well as an owner and, like many of us, will have wanted Pardew to succeed and still does. He's more than likely holding fire because the January window is upon us and Pardew has convinced him that they can use that to turn the corner. I do see where he's coming from, but I just wish he hadn't been quite so unequivocal in his support of Pardew. Letting Pardew think he's untouchable is the worst thing anyone could do as he already has an over-inflated idea of his own abilities. Pardew's main fault is his total inability to learn from his mistakes or indeed to accept he's actually made any. I just hope that we're not sleep-walking into the Championship.

 


Bexley Dave

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chateauferret Flag 11 Dec 16 3.00pm

Difficult to judge a performance when the Laws don't seem to apply. Dann seemed to me pretty much affected by conceding a "penalty" when he hadn't done anything wrong and then getting booked for asking why. In the second half the ref was dishing out yellow cards to our men whenever the home fans asked him to so it's not surprising he's bottling tackles he would normally make. Add to that that Snodgrass shouldn't even have been there and 2 pens turned down for us and it would be surprising if we had looked confident.

We also lacked Tomkins whom we needed for the rearranged defence we used last week. But we could still have used Fryers instead of Kelly and we could have used Flamini instead of Cabaye, who was s***e.

Edited by chateauferret (11 Dec 2016 3.00pm)

 


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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 11 Dec 16 3.15pm

Originally posted by Shortbutts


I am shocked at the rhetoric on here at the moment. Perhaps others will say I lack ambition for the club, but I do not see Palace as being in crisis.

There were some positives today. We came back from a dodgy penalty when it would have been justified for our heads to drop. Wilf had a great game - he is getting less into his sulks. We scored 3 goals - when was the last time that Palace scored as freely as we are? We came back from a goal behind and did not lose in the last minute - it is also good to get a draw for a change (we had lost the knack). And perhaps most remarkably Campbell scored!

However, exciting as it is, I am frustrated by the poor defending and inability to hold onto a lead. I am especially concerned by Dann's lack of form. Our defending crisis seemed to start when he was out injured, but he has not been the usual stalwart or leader since he's returned. I think we also miss Soaure.

If we can get the defending together then the results will follow. Most of the commentary on our games is positive apart from that aspect. I still think Pardew has the dressing room. If he did not I would agree that he should go now. We are on a two game unbeaten run. Let's see how we do up to Christmas. Look at Leicester - they were below us until their result yesterday.

As for the comments we have to beat teams like Hull. They have recently beaten Southampton and drew with West Brom - both of whom had been doing well; so hardly whipping boys. There are few easy away games and no consistently awful teams this year. There are a number of clubs, like us, who are having good and then bad runs. However it is imperative that we improve our home form.

Scoring against sides that are struggling as much as we are. Lets see how many goals we score in our next Four games. I can see us conceding quite a few if we play like we have been.

 

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bodge Flag 11 Dec 16 3.17pm Send a Private Message to bodge Add bodge as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Charlie Nicholas wasn't too complimentary about Palace and Pardew yesterday either as he was doing the commentary on our match.

Sadly, Pardew's future remains in the hands of Steve Parrish and he seems to be content with things on and off the pitch right now.

As I've said on another thread, we have a great squad which is good enough to be top 10 PL, but with Pardew's guidance is flirting with relegation to the Championship because of his lack of defensive nous.

We have a very poor squad but a decent first eleven. How do you think Pep Guardiola would do with our defenders.

 

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Shortbutts Flag Birmingham 11 Dec 16 3.52pm Send a Private Message to Shortbutts Add Shortbutts as a friend

Blackburn, Wigan, Blackpool - those are teams in crisis; I guess Hull could also be included with their ownership problems. We are a team that goes in and out of form. We had a good run of results that saw us climb the table (albeit with some luck) and then back on a bad run (including some bad luck), which has now at least temporarily halted. Not great .... but hardly a crisis. Above all we have a sound ownership structure.

Last week Swansea were annihilated by Spurs and this week had a good game against Sunderland, who had themselves been doing better recently. Both these teams have a similar squad in terms of quality/depth/spend to our own.

Originally posted by Selhurstboys


After watching that disjointed effort yesterday I'd say we definitely are in a crisis. I saw players out there who weren't sure what they should be doing especially knowing when to switch between defending and attack, they weren't together or quick enough. If it weren't for Wilf we probably would've been seriously embarrassed.
I think Pardew's lost his way with the style he was developing because we weren't getting any points and is now fudging it but the players are lost out there on the pitch. Leicester's win over City yesterday proves Guardiola style football isn't a sure way to win football matches in this league. You have to be able to adapt more and we don't seem to be able to do that and that's where Pardew has to take responsibility.

 

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rikz Flag Croydon 11 Dec 16 4.05pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He builds this cr&p up over a series of games. Poorly prepared for West Brom and West Ham. Shocking 1st half v Bournemouth. Awful at Burnley, Swansea etc etc etc. And that's partly how he ends up trying to win every game by going all out. Because last week and the weeks before we accrued feck all. That and clubs watching videos of 3 games back find it easy devising a plan to beat him. They then copy it and the 6 game losing runs happen.

You come out with the same spill week in week out and it's boring, you do realise it's a competitive sport and no one has a God given right over anyone. If it was down to you we wouldn't even bother playing our next 2 games, we would just give them the 3 points.

 

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Den1923 Flag 11 Dec 16 4.41pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

The simple facts in all of this is that in order to survive in the PL we need to be beating the teams around us, which we are not and therein is the warning signs. We have lost the ability to defend, our defenders look all at sea, mostly standing around watching each other just too slow to respond to threats, they are often outpaced and passing from defence is poor. Cabaye was really poor, seemed not interested and Townsend should have stayed at home. This squad with one or two exceptions is pretty poor, most of the recent incoming players could not hold down regular first team slots with their previous clubs who sold them on because they were considered not good enough. These were all identified by AP as being players(some of whom were his mates) that would improve our team. AP trend is downwards and unless something is done soon we will be in deep trouble.

 

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