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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 May 16 6.32pm

Although, its besides the point. People with nationalist beliefs should not be taking an unelected US candidates side over a democratically elected UK official representative.

That's bloody treason I tell yas.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 May 16 6.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH


Yeah but according to him those people aren't actually English.

Not true and lazy.

If you had actually been reading my posts I said that those who consider themselves English are English in my book regardless of colour.

I included that in my main point about the English being in the minority.

The fact that a significant number of people born in England don't consider themselves English is a significant failure of multiculturalism which has given us multiple problems.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 May 16 6.42pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I wonder what people like Punch, Zaha, Kaikai or Boateng would think id they read some of these threads.

It's not exactly a stretch to think some of their family might.

Or are they different?

How does this post relate to what I wrote?

 


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Jamesrichards8 Flag 18 May 16 7.17pm Send a Private Message to Jamesrichards8 Add Jamesrichards8 as a friend

This post is depressing the s*** out of me. Because of the multicultural s*** mess that London is in. And people wonder why Americans love trump. Is it so racist to not want to lose your country's culture and heritage?

And the people who claim trump is racist are victims of the propaganda of the liberal media. How is an end to illegal immigration racist? How is stemming the flow of Arabs to protect your country from unidentified terrorists racist? A lot of anti-trump people are very ignorant. I urge you to look at his earlier television appearances in the 1980s, when asked political questions. His answers not only provide excessive insight into his beliefs and desires for the country, but they also predict several huge future events, like the recession and the gulf war. He seems a very intelligent man.

My mother is American and I hold dual citizenship- UK and USA. I'm voting trump

 


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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 18 May 16 7.29pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

The thing is, what are 'British culture' and 'British values?' Ask 10 people, you'll get 20 different answers!

Most people know nothing about the history of this country- does that make them not British? You ask 10 white British teenagers what the Magna Carta is you'll more than likely get 10 blank looks. Are they not British because of it?

I hate cricket, and Wimbledon- the tennis, not the place Some might argue that these 2 things are as intrinsically British as they come.

Basically, there are very few things that most people would agree make up what it is to be British.

2 people talking about British values may well be talking at completely cross purposes- as an example, the Daily Mail and the Guardian could both write lead articles on 'what it means to be British'- probably find very few points of agreement, but have plenty of people agreeing with both sides. The Guardian might say multiculturalism and tolerance are the epitome of British values- the Daily Mail would probably disagree! And yet plenty of people would agree with both.

 

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glory Flag 18 May 16 7.54pm Send a Private Message to glory Add glory as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

This post is depressing the s*** out of me. Because of the multicultural s*** mess that London is in. And people wonder why Americans love trump. Is it so racist to not want to lose your country's culture and heritage?

And the people who claim trump is racist are victims of the propaganda of the liberal media. How is an end to illegal immigration racist? How is stemming the flow of Arabs to protect your country from unidentified terrorists racist? A lot of anti-trump people are very ignorant. I urge you to look at his earlier television appearances in the 1980s, when asked political questions. His answers not only provide excessive insight into his beliefs and desires for the country, but they also predict several huge future events, like the recession and the gulf war. He seems a very intelligent man.

My mother is American and I hold dual citizenship- UK and USA. I'm voting trump

Do you honestly believe that Trump plans on building a mile high wall or stopping all Muslims from entering the States for a period of time? He's just said what he needed to say to win the Republican nomination since it's a party that in a weakened state. Trump isn't all that conservative or nationalistic at all.

Fast forward a month and you'll hear no mention of banning Muslims or any of that stuff. By all means vote for him but at the same time understand when you're being played. His intelligence isn't in believing the rabble rousing stuff he's come out with, it's in knowing how to reduce and shape complicated and nuanced issues in such a way that appeals to peoples fears or prejudices.

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Jamesrichards8 Flag 18 May 16 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Jamesrichards8 Add Jamesrichards8 as a friend

Originally posted by glory

Do you honestly believe that Trump plans on building a mile high wall or stopping all Muslims from entering the States for a period of time? He's just said what he needed to say to win the Republican nomination since it's a party that in a weakened state. Trump isn't all that conservative or nationalistic at all.

Fast forward a month and you'll hear no mention of banning Muslims or any of that stuff. By all means vote for him but at the same time understand when you're being played. His intelligence isn't in believing the rabble rousing stuff he's come out with, it's in knowing how to reduce and shape complicated and nuanced issues in such a way that appeals to peoples fears or prejudices.

Edited by glory (18 May 2016 8.58pm)

I'm sorry but, again, you're simply believing the propaganda proliferated by the Liberal-biased media. They've crafted an image of Trump as a maniacal crowd-reader who is manipulating the mind of the simple voter by espousing lies and deceit. In actuality, these are his real views. The reason i know this? Look at his interviews from the 1980's. His views have NOT changed. He simply embodies the viewpoints of the common man. Which is reflected in polls and the primaries.

Additionally, the media has crafted an image of the trump voter as an ignorant, unintelligent bigot, so that they can guilt people into silence. I will vote for Trump, via absentee ballot. I am in my second year of university, studying political science. My views are my own, and they are resultants of research and original thought.

 


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legaleagle Flag 18 May 16 9.53pm

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Look at his interviews from the 1980's. His views have NOT changed.

I am in my second year of university, studying political science. My views are my own, and they are resultants of research and original thought.

Its a pity your research and original thought have not led you to realise quite how much dear Donald flips and flops in his views to suit the audience at hand/situation he's in:

2000
“I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.” — “The America We Deserve,” by Donald J. Trump

2016
Asked about the assault ban in a G.O.P. debate on Fox News: “I don’t support it anymore. I do not support the ban on assault —” [Audience boos.]

Syrian refugees

SEPT. 2015
On the U.S. taking them in: “I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis with what’s happening, you have to.” — on Fox News

NOV. 2015
“When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don’t know if they’re ISIS, we don’t know if it’s a Trojan horse.” If he wins the presidency, the refugees are “going back, we can’t have them.” — on ABC News; campaign rally

Hillary Clinton
2012
“Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman. I am biased because I have known her for years. … I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard.” — on Fox News

2015
“Hillary Clinton was the worst secretary of state in the history of the United States. … The world blew up around us. We lost everything, including all relationships. There wasn’t one good thing that came out of that administration or her being secretary of state.” — on MSNBC

Health care
2000
“I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one … We must have universal health care.” — from “The America We Deserve”

2016
“It is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation,” referring to Obamacare. “We will work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for implementation that follow free market principles” on health care. — from campaign website

Abortion rights
1999
“Well, look, I’m very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject. But you still — I just believe in choice.” — on “Meet the Press”

FEB. 22, 2016
“You know, many years ago, I’d be asked the question, and as a developer and a real estate person and as a business person, I was, like, never asked a question about pro-life. And they should leave that whole statement because I said, you know, I really don’t like it. They don’t show that. But I’m pro-life. [Inaudible] When I said this, I guess I said pro-choice.” — on Fox News

MARCH 30
Women who get abortions should be punished.
— on MSNBC

MARCH 30
Only doctors should be punished; women are victims. — from campaign website

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 May 16 9.55pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

I'm sorry but, again, you're simply believing the propaganda proliferated by the Liberal-biased media. They've crafted an image of Trump as a maniacal crowd-reader who is manipulating the mind of the simple voter by espousing lies and deceit. In actuality, these are his real views. The reason i know this? Look at his interviews from the 1980's. His views have NOT changed. He simply embodies the viewpoints of the common man. Which is reflected in polls and the primaries.

Additionally, the media has crafted an image of the trump voter as an ignorant, unintelligent bigot, so that they can guilt people into silence. I will vote for Trump, via absentee ballot. I am in my second year of university, studying political science. My views are my own, and they are resultants of research and original thought.

Great point. Trump simply embodies the viewpoints of the common man. No irony there then.

By the way, resultant doesn't take an S in this context. Blo*dy students.

 

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glory Flag 18 May 16 9.56pm Send a Private Message to glory Add glory as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

I'm sorry but, again, you're simply believing the propaganda proliferated by the Liberal-biased media. They've crafted an image of Trump as a maniacal crowd-reader who is manipulating the mind of the simple voter by espousing lies and deceit. In actuality, these are his real views. The reason i know this? Look at his interviews from the 1980's. His views have NOT changed. He simply embodies the viewpoints of the common man. Which is reflected in polls and the primaries.

Additionally, the media has crafted an image of the trump voter as an ignorant, unintelligent bigot, so that they can guilt people into silence. I will vote for Trump, via absentee ballot. I am in my second year of university, studying political science. My views are my own, and they are resultants of research and original thought.

Actually it's the liberal media that wants us to think that he does believe these things because it serves their interests. It's aspects of the conservative media uncomfortable with him being the face of the party that would prefer we believe he's just paying lip service to actual conservative beliefs.

All I can say is wait and see. It's beyond clear that 'the magnificent wall paid for by Mexicans' will never materialise. It was just easy to digest idea that played well with voters so he used it. The Muslim ban too, he will back away from because now he has to appeal to the wider public. He's a politician, it's about what plays well and at the time this stuff formed part of a republican primaries strategy. Now that is less relevant. None of these things will ever happen. Our opinions really do not matter because the facts will be the facts.


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 May 16 10.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Donald Trump is a self serving politician like almost every politician before him.
Why would any sensible person believe what he says or what any other politician says for that matter?

 

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glory Flag 18 May 16 10.45pm Send a Private Message to glory Add glory as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Donald Trump is a self serving politician like almost every politician before him.
Why would any sensible person believe what he says or what any other politician says for that matter?

That sums it up nicely.

 

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