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Juries can come to wrong conclusions as evidenced by Ched Evans trial recently.

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I think previous behaviour by PART OF LFC fans and indeed several other clubs' fan behaviour, especially the top 5 of the time, led to an inexperienced man in charge to make bad decisions on the day of the event after already making bad decisions before the day. But unless LFC fans actually did something tangible to make those in charge feel they had to open the gate and then leave the way clear for the central pen(s) in question, then on this occasion I don't think you can blame LFC fans.

There's been a retired SYPman on the news describing the sorts of things we know went on. "Thinking they can do whatever they like" was the main and easiest comment to remember. How he and others weren't allowed to give statements this time. But LFC fans didn't force the gate, they didn't demand anything on the cctv footage. Whether they would've done later or nearer ko or after ko we'll never know, but the SYP weren't prepared for many challenges so again perhaps why Ducken panicked. Delaying the ko was a common tactic he could've used without the planning but didn't. He went for looking like he could cope with a day like that to show his superiors.

I know there was a count on cctv of how many passed through the gate on top of the turnstyle counter totals. I don't know if there were more on their way in as those inside were being crushed, injured and killed. Is therer any on record?

My point is that you cannot blame LFC fans for being responsible for something they might do before they've done it/might have done after it might have happened (turning up en masse without tickets) when

a) he knew it happened previously with them and other big clubs' supporters at big games.

b) he didn't plan for it or any difficulties on the day it seems, apart from getting the batons out.

c) he panicked because of a+b and made decisions he had no idea of the consequences, minor or major.

For the record, again, I do not blame LFC fans for trying to get in ticketless, if they did, on that fateful day. They were not to know what would happen. But some still do it and that I have a problem with. Fans from the very same club. Very disrespectful, selfish, dangerous, and now ignored or too risky to a person's reputation to raise it.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (29 Apr 2016 9.11pm)

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