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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Dec 2015 4.35pm
Turns out that Trump's dad was a KKKlansman and arrested for having a barney aided by 1,000 other violent pillow headed w@nkers with NYPD back in the day. Chip off the old block is our Donald it appears. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 4.35pm)
Not a very sensible comment Kermy. Although looking through the Trump family album at Christmas must be a hoot.
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Quote Kermit8 at 13 Dec 2015 4.35pm
Turns out that Trump's dad was a KKKlansman and arrested for having a barney aided by 1,000 other violent pillow headed w@nkers with NYPD back in the day. Chip off the old block is our Donald it appears. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 4.35pm)
Not a very sensible comment Kermy. Although looking through the Trump family album at Christmas must be a hoot.
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) I deplore the rise of the far right Mr. Toad. It is the fault of what passes as the lib/left these days - people like you.
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) Whilst I am not overly fussed about who runs what in France, Two parties colluding together to win a majority is about as undemocratic as you can get, f*** it might aswell have a system in place like Iraq where Saddam would win with a 98% majority every time & do away with real elections. Le Pen & NF are still there & long term will only make them stronger. Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Dec 2015 8.21am)
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) Whilst I am not overly fussed about who runs what in France, Two parties colluding together to win a majority is about as undemocratic as you can get, f*** it might aswell have a system in place like Iraq where Saddam would win with a 98% majority every time & do away with real elections. Le Pen & NF are still there & long term will only make them stronger. Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Dec 2015 8.21am) I find the BBC's use of the word 'rout' quite interesting. I'm not sure how getting as much as 42% of the vote really counts as a rout? I remember the Chirac - Le pen (senior) presidential run off back in the early 2000's. Le pen got less then 20% of the vote in that one but it was still hailed as a 'great' victory for the French far right. Out of curiosity, would the left wing minded members of the Hol say that the Labour performance at the 2010 election also constituted being referred to as 'a rout'? Edited by snytaxx (14 Dec 2015 9.13am) Edited by snytaxx (14 Dec 2015 9.14am)
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) Whilst I am not overly fussed about who runs what in France, Two parties colluding together to win a majority is about as undemocratic as you can get, f*** it might aswell have a system in place like Iraq where Saddam would win with a 98% majority every time & do away with real elections. Le Pen & NF are still there & long term will only make them stronger. Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Dec 2015 8.21am) To an extent, but its common practice for most democracies to avoid splitting votes, by not fielding a candidate in a seat you can't win (and a very valid tactic maybe if governments are generally going to be coalitions etc). That said it also denies representation to voters who do vote a particular way and the role of democracy is representation of the people, at least in theory.
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) Whilst I am not overly fussed about who runs what in France, Two parties colluding together to win a majority is about as undemocratic as you can get, f*** it might aswell have a system in place like Iraq where Saddam would win with a 98% majority every time & do away with real elections. Le Pen & NF are still there & long term will only make them stronger. Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Dec 2015 8.21am) I find the BBC's use of the word 'rout' quite interesting. I'm not sure how getting as much as 42% of the vote really counts as a rout? I remember the Chirac - Le pen (senior) presidential run off back in the early 2000's. Le pen got less then 20% of the vote in that one but it was still hailed as a 'great' victory for the French far right. Out of curiosity, would the left wing minded members of the Hol say that the Labour performance at the 2010 election also constituted being referred to as 'a rout'? Edited by snytaxx (14 Dec 2015 9.13am) Edited by snytaxx (14 Dec 2015 9.14am) I think they mean routed in the classic sense, where in they were ahead and were beaten back in areas they were very strong. The term tends to be a hyperbole. Routed and landslide are two very different things. But I deplore the use of hyperbole in reporting and journalism.
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) Whilst I am not overly fussed about who runs what in France, Two parties colluding together to win a majority is about as undemocratic as you can get, f*** it might aswell have a system in place like Iraq where Saddam would win with a 98% majority every time & do away with real elections. Le Pen & NF are still there & long term will only make them stronger. Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Dec 2015 8.21am) I find the BBC's use of the word 'rout' quite interesting. I'm not sure how getting as much as 42% of the vote really counts as a rout? I remember the Chirac - Le pen (senior) presidential run off back in the early 2000's. Le pen got less then 20% of the vote in that one but it was still hailed as a 'great' victory for the French far right. Out of curiosity, would the left wing minded members of the Hol say that the Labour performance at the 2010 election also constituted being referred to as 'a rout'? Edited by snytaxx (14 Dec 2015 9.13am) Edited by snytaxx (14 Dec 2015 9.14am)
As for Trump, yes he is an absolute grade a tosser, the only trouble with that is that middle America is also full of dumb racist tossers who will vote for him. scary times. Edited by dannyh (14 Dec 2015 10.20am)
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) Whilst I am not overly fussed about who runs what in France, Two parties colluding together to win a majority is about as undemocratic as you can get, f*** it might aswell have a system in place like Iraq where Saddam would win with a 98% majority every time & do away with real elections. Le Pen & NF are still there & long term will only make them stronger. Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Dec 2015 8.21am) I find the BBC's use of the word 'rout' quite interesting. I'm not sure how getting as much as 42% of the vote really counts as a rout? I remember the Chirac - Le pen (senior) presidential run off back in the early 2000's. Le pen got less then 20% of the vote in that one but it was still hailed as a 'great' victory for the French far right. Out of curiosity, would the left wing minded members of the Hol say that the Labour performance at the 2015 election also constituted being referred to as 'a rout'?
The far right are gaining strength that is obvious.
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Was Trump's outburst really that bad? At first I thought what an idiot, he's stirring up trouble, but I am thinking now he is quite restrained in what he suggests. We've seen plenty of "hate preachers" on the news and the internet.... Jihadi John beheading innocent victims live on the internet and other Muslim clerics like Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary preaching hate from London Mosques. ISIS (Da'esh or whatever) recruitment videos on the internet encouraging young muslims to go and fight in Syria. Trump could have responded with a call to arms and reprisals against these latest outrages, but all he has done is to suggest no immigration to USA for Muslims whilst the situation remains. Not much unlike the ban on Liberians travelling abroad whilst the ebola virus was rampaging out of control. Trump is an outspoken objectionable human being in many ways and not popular.... but he has the right to freedom of speech and his "outburst" was not any where near as inciteful as the odious characters I've listed above. What he is suggesting would be pretty much unworkable anyway, so just ignore it.... the answer lies elsewhere. Think this is a very sensible post. I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition. For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him. The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then... Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron! No to pointless petitions and legislation... Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA. Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.
Maybe next time. Here's to you, Mr Robinson Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 8.40pm) Whilst I am not overly fussed about who runs what in France, Two parties colluding together to win a majority is about as undemocratic as you can get, f*** it might aswell have a system in place like Iraq where Saddam would win with a 98% majority every time & do away with real elections. Le Pen & NF are still there & long term will only make them stronger. Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Dec 2015 8.21am) I find the BBC's use of the word 'rout' quite interesting. I'm not sure how getting as much as 42% of the vote really counts as a rout? I remember the Chirac - Le pen (senior) presidential run off back in the early 2000's. Le pen got less then 20% of the vote in that one but it was still hailed as a 'great' victory for the French far right. Out of curiosity, would the left wing minded members of the Hol say that the Labour performance at the 2015 election also constituted being referred to as 'a rout'?
The far right are gaining strength that is obvious. One more terror attack of a large scale and UKIP win the next election.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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Quote Mapletree at 13 Dec 2015 10.42pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Dec 2015 9.40pm
Quote Kermit8 at 13 Dec 2015 4.35pm
Turns out that Trump's dad was a KKKlansman and arrested for having a barney aided by 1,000 other violent pillow headed w@nkers with NYPD back in the day. Chip off the old block is our Donald it appears. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Dec 2015 4.35pm)
Not a very sensible comment Kermy. Although looking through the Trump family album at Christmas must be a hoot.
That paints a funny picture. But seriously, you can't just play the sins of the father card or else you would have to apply such logic universally and that would be bonkers.
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