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Yes Comrade Gussett we are aware of the Scarman whitewash, or should we say blackwash. "blackwash",in the same way that Stephen Lawrence committed "suicide" presumably? The Lawrence murder has nothing to do with this thread, but as you choose to bring it up... Of course his murder was a racist crime, part of the general problems between various 'communities' in this country. I don't recall any inquiry saying he committed suicide. On the contrary, the voluminous coverage of the appalling event highlighted white racism, so called institutional police racism etc etc. Some of the perpetrators are now in prison, albeit via somewhat dubious legal proceedings, although I don't really care about that as they were clearly guilty. Not sure why his mum is now a member of the House of Lords though. Edited by leggedstruggle (09 Oct 2015 8.04am)
She deserves nothing other than the proper sympathy accorded to the mother of a murder victim.....And possibly the compensation worthy of a flawed initial investigation....If that was the case. I can only reason that her place in the Lords is purely down to a kind of middle and upper class twisted racial guilt 'blood money' mindset. There are plenty of people in this country whose relatives have died horribly and unfairly at the hands of others and where the Police investigation was flawed. What do they get?
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Oct 15 8.56am |
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Quote legaleagle at 08 Oct 2015 11.23pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 08 Oct 2015 7.57pm
Yes Comrade Gussett we are aware of the Scarman whitewash, or should we say blackwash. "blackwash",in the same way that Stephen Lawrence committed "suicide" presumably? The Lawrence murder has nothing to do with this thread, but as you choose to bring it up... Of course his murder was a racist crime, part of the general problems between various 'communities' in this country. I don't recall any inquiry saying he committed suicide. On the contrary, the voluminous coverage of the appalling event highlighted white racism, so called institutional police racism etc etc. Some of the perpetrators are now in prison, albeit via somewhat dubious legal proceedings, although I don't really care about that as they were clearly guilty. Not sure why his mum is now a member of the House of Lords though. Edited by leggedstruggle (09 Oct 2015 8.04am)
She deserves nothing other than the proper sympathy accorded to the mother of a murder victim.....And possibly the compensation worthy of a flawed initial investigation....If that was the case. I can only reason that her place in the Lords is purely down to a kind of middle and upper class twisted racial guilt 'blood money' mindset. There are plenty of people in this country whose relatives have died horribly and unfairly at the hands of others and where the Police investigation was flawed. What do they get? f*** all because they are not the at the epicenter of some over the top journalism.
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This "I was closer to Brixton Riots than you" spat makes me laugh. Right on lefties like Kermit will never accept that the Blacks were even partially to blame for the riots in 81. In his head the police just cruised around Brixton all day with nothing better to do than harass young innocent black kids hanging out on street corners. No drugs were consumed, no burglaries, muggings or killings took place there. The police caused it all (just like they did at Hillsborough) 666 is the number of the beast... turn it around and you get the police!
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Oct 15 9.15am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Oct 2015 9.07am
This "I was closer to Brixton Riots than you" spat makes me laugh. Right on lefties like Kermit will never accept that the Blacks were even partially to blame for the riots in 81. In his head the police just cruised around Brixton all day with nothing better to do than harass young innocent black kids hanging out on street corners. No drugs were consumed, no burglaries, muggings or killings took place there. The police caused it all (just like they did at Hillsborough) 666 is the number of the beast... turn it around and you get the police!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Oct 15 9.52am |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Oct 2015 10.03pm
Guys. Is it not fair to say that there was and is a well known street crime and drug dealing problem in the black community but that if you persecute large amounts of black people as a result of that then you are going to have a lot of innocent black people getting very pissed off. Seems obvious to me. Its also a problem in poor white areas too. Its not really to do with race, but poverty. Some people of all races are criminals, the defining factor in analysis isn't really race, but the economics of the area and opportunities. Scallys come in all shapes, shades and sizes.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 9.52am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Oct 2015 10.03pm
Guys. Is it not fair to say that there was and is a well known street crime and drug dealing problem in the black community but that if you persecute large amounts of black people as a result of that then you are going to have a lot of innocent black people getting very pissed off. Seems obvious to me. Its also a problem in poor white areas too. Its not really to do with race, but poverty. Some people of all races are criminals, the defining factor in analysis isn't really race, but the economics of the area and opportunities. Scallys come in all shapes, shades and sizes. I think you have misunderstood the point of my post. In your eagerness to defend everything ethnic you have are missing my main point that the police caused the bad feeling by leaning heavily on the black community thus causing grief and resentment among a lot of innocent people.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Oct 15 11.51am |
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Quote dannyh at 09 Oct 2015 8.56am
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Quote leggedstruggle at 09 Oct 2015 7.52am
Quote legaleagle at 08 Oct 2015 11.23pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 08 Oct 2015 7.57pm
Yes Comrade Gussett we are aware of the Scarman whitewash, or should we say blackwash. "blackwash",in the same way that Stephen Lawrence committed "suicide" presumably? The Lawrence murder has nothing to do with this thread, but as you choose to bring it up... Of course his murder was a racist crime, part of the general problems between various 'communities' in this country. I don't recall any inquiry saying he committed suicide. On the contrary, the voluminous coverage of the appalling event highlighted white racism, so called institutional police racism etc etc. Some of the perpetrators are now in prison, albeit via somewhat dubious legal proceedings, although I don't really care about that as they were clearly guilty. Not sure why his mum is now a member of the House of Lords though. Edited by leggedstruggle (09 Oct 2015 8.04am)
She deserves nothing other than the proper sympathy accorded to the mother of a murder victim.....And possibly the compensation worthy of a flawed initial investigation....If that was the case. I can only reason that her place in the Lords is purely down to a kind of middle and upper class twisted racial guilt 'blood money' mindset. There are plenty of people in this country whose relatives have died horribly and unfairly at the hands of others and where the Police investigation was flawed. What do they get? f*** all because they are not the at the epicenter of some over the top journalism. I'm not sure its actually over the top journalism. The story so far has uncovered racism in the police force, corruption of investigations, collusion with organized crime by the police force, another possible murder case (Daniel Morgan) in which the police acted corruptly and arguably a misuse of undercover assets by the police force, three trials and its still unveiling more details. Whilst I might not like the woman, she's been at the center of the exposure of a massive police scandal and cover up, that otherwise would likely have been ignored, and she's campaigned for justice in this matter and the issues around policing for 23 years. Maybe that qualifies her to sit in the House of Lords, rather than whether or not you or I like her.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Oct 2015 11.27am
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Oct 2015 10.03pm
Guys. Is it not fair to say that there was and is a well known street crime and drug dealing problem in the black community but that if you persecute large amounts of black people as a result of that then you are going to have a lot of innocent black people getting very pissed off. Seems obvious to me. Its also a problem in poor white areas too. Its not really to do with race, but poverty. Some people of all races are criminals, the defining factor in analysis isn't really race, but the economics of the area and opportunities. Scallys come in all shapes, shades and sizes. I think you have misunderstood the point of my post. In your eagerness to defend everything ethnic you have are missing my main point that the police caused the bad feeling by leaning heavily on the black community thus causing grief and resentment among a lot of innocent people. Sorry, yes, I do agree with that. I wasn't defending all things ethnic, so much as pointing out that the problems of the black community of London, mirror many other areas of the UK with similar problems that aren't associated with ethnicity. I just don't think the association to race really does anything by obfuscate wider issues, by simply reducing everything to a 'we can just blame this and ignore the real problems'. Black Youth culture can often glamourize criminality, and that's a concern definitely, but by just demonizing a culture we'll achieve nothing.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 09 Oct 15 12.03pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 11.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Oct 2015 11.27am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 9.52am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Oct 2015 10.03pm
Guys. Is it not fair to say that there was and is a well known street crime and drug dealing problem in the black community but that if you persecute large amounts of black people as a result of that then you are going to have a lot of innocent black people getting very pissed off. Seems obvious to me. Its also a problem in poor white areas too. Its not really to do with race, but poverty. Some people of all races are criminals, the defining factor in analysis isn't really race, but the economics of the area and opportunities. Scallys come in all shapes, shades and sizes. I think you have misunderstood the point of my post. In your eagerness to defend everything ethnic you have are missing my main point that the police caused the bad feeling by leaning heavily on the black community thus causing grief and resentment among a lot of innocent people. Sorry, yes, I do agree with that. I wasn't defending all things ethnic, so much as pointing out that the problems of the black community of London, mirror many other areas of the UK with similar problems that aren't associated with ethnicity. I just don't think the association to race really does anything by obfuscate wider issues, by simply reducing everything to a 'we can just blame this and ignore the real problems'. Black Youth culture can often glamourize criminality, and that's a concern definitely, but by just demonizing a culture we'll achieve nothing.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Oct 15 1.03pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Oct 2015 12.03pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 11.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Oct 2015 11.27am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 9.52am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Oct 2015 10.03pm
Guys. Is it not fair to say that there was and is a well known street crime and drug dealing problem in the black community but that if you persecute large amounts of black people as a result of that then you are going to have a lot of innocent black people getting very pissed off. Seems obvious to me. Its also a problem in poor white areas too. Its not really to do with race, but poverty. Some people of all races are criminals, the defining factor in analysis isn't really race, but the economics of the area and opportunities. Scallys come in all shapes, shades and sizes. I think you have misunderstood the point of my post. In your eagerness to defend everything ethnic you have are missing my main point that the police caused the bad feeling by leaning heavily on the black community thus causing grief and resentment among a lot of innocent people. Sorry, yes, I do agree with that. I wasn't defending all things ethnic, so much as pointing out that the problems of the black community of London, mirror many other areas of the UK with similar problems that aren't associated with ethnicity. I just don't think the association to race really does anything by obfuscate wider issues, by simply reducing everything to a 'we can just blame this and ignore the real problems'. Black Youth culture can often glamourize criminality, and that's a concern definitely, but by just demonizing a culture we'll achieve nothing.
I kind of suspect that the metropolitan police were much happier for the investigation 'blunders' to be seen as a result of racism, than maybe because of corruption by a south London drug trafficker who's son happens to be one convicted of the murder of Stephen Lawrence, and that several police officers have been accused and even convicted of taking bribes from. After all, they could come back from racism, and turn it into good PR, and institutional racism sounds suitably 'bland' and could be spun. Wide spread corruption and involvement in murder couldn't. The only really terrible thing of the Stephen Lawrence case, is that the Daniel Morgan murder hasn't had the same level of championing.
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| robdave2k 09 Oct 15 1.23pm |
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Quote OldFella at 09 Oct 2015 1.15am
Quote nickgusset at 08 Oct 2015 7.53pm
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Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Oct 2015 6.39pm
I lived at Stockwell Park Estate as a child. I was there as a 12 year old at the time and watched some of it from the safety of a high rise balcony window. Those who refer to any justifications are in my view talking out of their rear ends. I would be surprised if anyone with any decency partook in those riots. The people I watched were just opportunistic thugs. Doesn't matter what eye-witness accounts you give the likes of K, they will still hero-worship the scumbags and come up with absurd justifications. Nothing shakes their faith in their politically correct nonsense.
There is plenty of documented evidence from participants and others. If you both were to avail yourselves you will see that plenty of rioters were not your usual thugs. More chaps who had had enough of continual harassment based on the colour of their skin and decided to act. Police operations that were interfering with their rampant criminal activities. They should have sent in the troops and shot a few of the 'chaps'. Someone has to break it to you gently, NG. You're a wally. You post nonsense, repeatedly, and you live, in my honest opinion, in a state sponsored bubble of your own waffle. Often and repeatedly in school hours when you should be teaching. Please take time out from HOL "General Talk", and educate our children as you are being paid to do? Come back in a few years, it will still be a clear blue landscape mate. And you'll have hopefully matured a year or two in the meantime. Maybe even married, met Jeremy Corbyn, fulfilled a few life goals. We'll miss you, but we'll get by without reading your spurious links. Don't have nightmares, do sleep well. Old Fella
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 1.03pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Oct 2015 12.03pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 11.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Oct 2015 11.27am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Oct 2015 9.52am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Oct 2015 10.03pm
Guys. Is it not fair to say that there was and is a well known street crime and drug dealing problem in the black community but that if you persecute large amounts of black people as a result of that then you are going to have a lot of innocent black people getting very pissed off. Seems obvious to me. Its also a problem in poor white areas too. Its not really to do with race, but poverty. Some people of all races are criminals, the defining factor in analysis isn't really race, but the economics of the area and opportunities. Scallys come in all shapes, shades and sizes. I think you have misunderstood the point of my post. In your eagerness to defend everything ethnic you have are missing my main point that the police caused the bad feeling by leaning heavily on the black community thus causing grief and resentment among a lot of innocent people. Sorry, yes, I do agree with that. I wasn't defending all things ethnic, so much as pointing out that the problems of the black community of London, mirror many other areas of the UK with similar problems that aren't associated with ethnicity. I just don't think the association to race really does anything by obfuscate wider issues, by simply reducing everything to a 'we can just blame this and ignore the real problems'. Black Youth culture can often glamourize criminality, and that's a concern definitely, but by just demonizing a culture we'll achieve nothing.
I kind of suspect that the metropolitan police were much happier for the investigation 'blunders' to be seen as a result of racism, than maybe because of corruption by a south London drug trafficker who's son happens to be one convicted of the murder of Stephen Lawrence, and that several police officers have been accused and even convicted of taking bribes from. After all, they could come back from racism, and turn it into good PR, and institutional racism sounds suitably 'bland' and could be spun. Wide spread corruption and involvement in murder couldn't. The only really terrible thing of the Stephen Lawrence case, is that the Daniel Morgan murder hasn't had the same level of championing.
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