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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 4.02pm
Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK. Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Feb 16 4.02pm

Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK.

Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Atlee's government built 1 million houses between 1945 and 1950. 80% of which were council houses with subsidised rent (about 1/4 of the cost of privete rentals) More than 1/3 of the council houses sold off through 'right to buy' are now owned by landlords with property protfolios. Hardly the land of home ownership! In fact home ownership is only 9% higher now than before 'right to buy'. When Atlee's government were in power, 80% of Gov spending on housing was on capital investment (building and maintainance). By 2000 85% of Gov spending on housing went on the demand side, housing benefit of which around 45% of the £23 billion housing benefit bill goes to private landlords who have driven up rents year on year because of a housing shortage.. From 2009 to 2012, rents rose by 37% Between 2001 and 2011 house prices rose by about 94%. The housing benefit bill doubled in the 3 years between 2009 and 2012. In 2013 there were 5 million people on housing waiting lists in the UK. For years there has been underinvestment in housebuilding. Nice research. Now answer this. Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Feb 2016 4.04pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Atlee's government built 1 million houses between 1945 and 1950. 80% of which were council houses with subsidised rent (about 1/4 of the cost of privete rentals)

More than 1/3 of the council houses sold off through 'right to buy' are now owned by landlords with property protfolios. Hardly the land of home ownership! In fact home ownership is only 9% higher now than before 'right to buy'.

When Atlee's government were in power, 80% of Gov spending on housing was on capital investment (building and maintainance). By 2000 85% of Gov spending on housing went on the demand side, housing benefit of which around 45% of the £23 billion housing benefit bill goes to private landlords who have driven up rents year on year because of a housing shortage..

From 2009 to 2012, rents rose by 37%
Between 2001 and 2011 house prices rose by about 94%.
The housing benefit bill doubled in the 3 years between 2009 and 2012.

In 2013 there were 5 million people on housing waiting lists in the UK. For years there has been underinvestment in housebuilding.

Nice research.

Now answer this.

Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Nice research. Now answer this. Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse? Yes or no Yes, but if the approximately 600000 empty properties in the U.K were used, it would alleviate the problem.
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Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nice research.

Now answer this.

Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse?

Yes or no

Yes, but if the approximately 600000 empty properties in the U.K were used, it would alleviate the problem.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 4.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Nice research. Now answer this. Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Feb 2016 4.04pm) Inevitably it can only make a crisis worse, by the very definition of a crisis (a bias title). Of course the presence of so many temporary migrants may very well have averted a different housing crisis, given they'll almost certainly be propping up those who have invested in property as tenants. Without that 350k its quite likely that rental and sales for rental may well have collapsed (as well as people who invested in property with a view to paying mortgages with rental tennents) That could have been a serious disaster around 2007-9 when the banking industry was 'on its knees'. Of course the down side for me, is that had it hit the skids, I'd probably have been in a great position to pick up property (given my prospects in the crash and recovery went up paradoxically). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Feb 16 4.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nice research.

Now answer this.

Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Feb 2016 4.04pm)

Inevitably it can only make a crisis worse, by the very definition of a crisis (a bias title). Of course the presence of so many temporary migrants may very well have averted a different housing crisis, given they'll almost certainly be propping up those who have invested in property as tenants.

Without that 350k its quite likely that rental and sales for rental may well have collapsed (as well as people who invested in property with a view to paying mortgages with rental tennents) That could have been a serious disaster around 2007-9 when the banking industry was 'on its knees'.

Of course the down side for me, is that had it hit the skids, I'd probably have been in a great position to pick up property (given my prospects in the crash and recovery went up paradoxically).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.10pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK. Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia. Here you go Jamie. Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades. Attachment: eu-uk-populations.jpg (308.08Kb)
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Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.10pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK.

Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia.

Here you go Jamie.

Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades.

Attachment: eu-uk-populations.jpg (308.08Kb)

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.15pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yes, but if the approximately 600000 empty properties in the U.K were used, it would alleviate the problem. It would help counterbalance the problem caused by the 350k a year you mean. But hold on. There is no end in sight to the flood of migrants. Unless of course we leave the EU and reclaim our right to limit numbers from Europe.
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23 Feb 16 4.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes, but if the approximately 600000 empty properties in the U.K were used, it would alleviate the problem.

It would help counterbalance the problem caused by the 350k a year you mean.

But hold on. There is no end in sight to the flood of migrants. Unless of course we leave the EU and reclaim our right to limit numbers from Europe.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.17pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Inevitably it can only make a crisis worse, by the very definition of a crisis (a bias title). Of course the presence of so many temporary migrants may very well have averted a different housing crisis, given they'll almost certainly be propping up those who have invested in property as tenants. Without that 350k its quite likely that rental and sales for rental may well have collapsed (as well as people who invested in property with a view to paying mortgages with rental tennents) That could have been a serious disaster around 2007-9 when the banking industry was 'on its knees'. Of course the down side for me, is that had it hit the skids, I'd probably have been in a great position to pick up property (given my prospects in the crash and recovery went up paradoxically). Every cloud. But the storm is only just getting started.
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Hrolf The Ganger

23 Feb 16 4.17pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of course the down side for me, is that had it hit the skids, I'd probably have been in a great position to pick up property (given my prospects in the crash and recovery went up paradoxically).

Every cloud.

But the storm is only just getting started.

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Stuk Top half 23 Feb 16 4.22pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK. Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia. There's between 60 and 65 million of them here. In short, far less than there are of us in each of their countries. London is France's 6th biggest city by population. That's just London, not the entire UK. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 23 Feb 16 4.22pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK.

Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia.

There's between 60 and 65 million of them here.

In short, far less than there are of us in each of their countries.

London is France's 6th biggest city by population. That's just London, not the entire UK.

Optimistic as ever

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.25pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Here you go Jamie. Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades. So in effect. Britons are leaving Britain and foreigners are moving in. So soon we can divide Britain up into separate kingdoms like in pre Athelstan days. Unofficially of course. Discuss
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Hrolf The Ganger

23 Feb 16 4.25pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Here you go Jamie.

Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades.

So in effect. Britons are leaving Britain and foreigners are moving in.
So soon we can divide Britain up into separate kingdoms like in pre Athelstan days. Unofficially of course.

Discuss

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It would help counterbalance the problem caused by the 350k a year you mean. But hold on. There is no end in sight to the flood of migrants. Unless of course we leave the EU and reclaim our right to limit numbers from Europe. Yes limit numbers from Europe to allow more refugees from the middle east theatres of war that we are partly responsible for with our foreign policies. A good plan. Well done Judge
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Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It would help counterbalance the problem caused by the 350k a year you mean.

But hold on. There is no end in sight to the flood of migrants. Unless of course we leave the EU and reclaim our right to limit numbers from Europe.

Yes limit numbers from Europe to allow more refugees from the middle east theatres of war that we are partly responsible for with our foreign policies. A good plan.
Well done Judge

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yes limit numbers from Europe to allow more refugees from the middle east theatres of war that we are partly responsible for with our foreign policies. A good plan. Well done Judge Don't start with the Judge thing or Jamie will accuse me of trolling. I'm not the Judge . Even the Judge wasn't The Judge if you know what I mean. He was an excellent way to shut down any reasonable counter argument to left wing propaganda though. Frankly I'm glad the likes of you and and the MAZ creature exist. There has to be a counter to foaming mouthed bigotry. The problem I have is that you should be careful you don't alienate the moderates and the easily lead in the process. Meanwhile. My answer to the refugee crisis is simple. We are helping people on the ground who need it most and not encouraging people to risk their lives traveling to Europe and falling victim to criminal gangs. That is the correct policy. Many have come to Europe where they are relatively safe and have no need to come to Britain. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Feb 2016 4.41pm)
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23 Feb 16 4.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes limit numbers from Europe to allow more refugees from the middle east theatres of war that we are partly responsible for with our foreign policies. A good plan.
Well done Judge

Don't start with the Judge thing or Jamie will accuse me of trolling.

I'm not the Judge . Even the Judge wasn't The Judge if you know what I mean. He was an excellent way to shut down any reasonable counter argument to left wing propaganda though.

Frankly I'm glad the likes of you and and the MAZ creature exist. There has to be a counter to foaming mouthed bigotry. The problem I have is that you should be careful you don't alienate the moderates and the easily lead in the process.

Meanwhile. My answer to the refugee crisis is simple. We are helping people on the ground who need it most and not encouraging people to risk their lives traveling to Europe and falling victim to criminal gangs. That is the correct policy.
Many have come to Europe where they are relatively safe and have no need to come to Britain.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Feb 2016 4.41pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 4.45pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Here you go Jamie. Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades. That looks like quite a lot if they had to come back to the UK. Isn't the UK EU population of migrants something like 600,000 or so. There is half that figure in Brits in Spain alone. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Feb 16 4.45pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Here you go Jamie.

Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades.

That looks like quite a lot if they had to come back to the UK. Isn't the UK EU population of migrants something like 600,000 or so. There is half that figure in Brits in Spain alone.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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