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elgrande bedford 04 Aug 15 7.27pm
Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 6.12pm Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 5.51pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education. Really and you know this how? Yes they can come over and get 4/5 an hour work....But what does that do,nothing apart from keep the wages low for the people here already looking for jobs/housing/education/healthcare. i know this because i'm able to read the news and listen to their interviews where they tell people these things instead of coming up with the answer in my head, completely devoid of any evidence or logic. why do you think people are there? now remember, they get the same or better benefits in calais. it's just a few miles away. they aren't going to starve there. now, why is it that people would potentially risk their lives if it isn't for food, $, shelter? AND here's another piece of the puzzle to help you: they CAN NOT speak french but they CAN speak english. what say you to this incredibly challenging puzzle? And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in????

they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education.

Really and you know this how?
Yes they can come over and get 4/5 an hour work....But what does that do,nothing apart from keep the wages low for the people here already looking for jobs/housing/education/healthcare.

i know this because i'm able to read the news and listen to their interviews where they tell people these things instead of coming up with the answer in my head, completely devoid of any evidence or logic.

why do you think people are there? now remember, they get the same or better benefits in calais. it's just a few miles away. they aren't going to starve there. now, why is it that people would potentially risk their lives if it isn't for food, $, shelter? AND here's another piece of the puzzle to help you: they CAN NOT speak french but they CAN speak english. what say you to this incredibly challenging puzzle?

And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Catfish Burgess Hill 04 Aug 15 7.31pm
Quote Kermit8 at 04 Aug 2015 7.26pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 04 Aug 2015 7.19pm Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong. Global free market capitalism = everyone will be, aptly, costa coffee coloured and culture diluted in 150 years and they will look back and wonder why their ancestors got their knickers in such a twist about such things. This true. I have already contributed a mixed race child to the gene pool so I am quite happy with the idea. Your wider point causes me to wonder how our distant descendants will make any sense of how and why it happened when we can't even agree on it now. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong.

Global free market capitalism = everyone will be, aptly, costa coffee coloured and culture diluted in 150 years and they will look back and wonder why their ancestors got their knickers in such a twist about such things.

This true. I have already contributed a mixed race child to the gene pool so I am quite happy with the idea. Your wider point causes me to wonder how our distant descendants will make any sense of how and why it happened when we can't even agree on it now.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 15 7.34pm
Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 7.27pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 6.12pm Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 5.51pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education. Really and you know this how? Yes they can come over and get 4/5 an hour work....But what does that do,nothing apart from keep the wages low for the people here already looking for jobs/housing/education/healthcare. i know this because i'm able to read the news and listen to their interviews where they tell people these things instead of coming up with the answer in my head, completely devoid of any evidence or logic. why do you think people are there? now remember, they get the same or better benefits in calais. it's just a few miles away. they aren't going to starve there. now, why is it that people would potentially risk their lives if it isn't for food, $, shelter? AND here's another piece of the puzzle to help you: they CAN NOT speak french but they CAN speak english. what say you to this incredibly challenging puzzle? And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise. Then sort out the low wage payers. It's all smoke and mirrors. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 7.34pm)
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Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 15 7.34pm

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And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise.

Then sort out the low wage payers.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

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on me shed son Krakow 04 Aug 15 7.39pm
Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 11.42am Quote dannyh at 04 Aug 2015 11.36am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.26am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f*** our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) Certainly something needs to be done about the madness in Calais as we can't sustain this level of immigration. Of course the left wing fraternity on here want everyone to be allowed in. Are fore father fought against invasion only for the looney left to unbolt the door. It's interesting to see none of them with yellow cards to their names as their comments are quite inflammatory and downright aggressive ie name calling etc. Maybe they're friendly with certain people so are immune. Edited by fed up eagle (04 Aug 2015 11.27am) Something I have noted a long time ago. You are arguing (vehmently I might add) for the right, but the left not to be outdone are comming out with equally high measures of Jingoistic bullsh1t. MODS i've seen this before in a two sided argument only one side gets the card. Not really rules for everybody is it Erm, I've had 3 yellows over the years. I didn't know Graham Poll was a mod.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO.

Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f*** our daughters...

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

Certainly something needs to be done about the madness in Calais as we can't sustain this level of immigration. Of course the left wing fraternity on here want everyone to be allowed in. Are fore father fought against invasion only for the looney left to unbolt the door. It's interesting to see none of them with yellow cards to their names as their comments are quite inflammatory and downright aggressive ie name calling etc. Maybe they're friendly with certain people so are immune.

Edited by fed up eagle (04 Aug 2015 11.27am)

Something I have noted a long time ago. You are arguing (vehmently I might add) for the right, but the left not to be outdone are comming out with equally high measures of Jingoistic bullsh1t.

MODS i've seen this before in a two sided argument only one side gets the card.

Not really rules for everybody is it

Erm, I've had 3 yellows over the years.

I didn't know Graham Poll was a mod.

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elgrande bedford 04 Aug 15 7.41pm
Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 7.34pm Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 7.27pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 6.12pm Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 5.51pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education. Really and you know this how? Yes they can come over and get 4/5 an hour work....But what does that do,nothing apart from keep the wages low for the people here already looking for jobs/housing/education/healthcare. i know this because i'm able to read the news and listen to their interviews where they tell people these things instead of coming up with the answer in my head, completely devoid of any evidence or logic. why do you think people are there? now remember, they get the same or better benefits in calais. it's just a few miles away. they aren't going to starve there. now, why is it that people would potentially risk their lives if it isn't for food, $, shelter? AND here's another piece of the puzzle to help you: they CAN NOT speak french but they CAN speak english. what say you to this incredibly challenging puzzle? And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise. Then sort out the low wages... And how are you going to that Nick. Pay everyone wonderful wages even if the business can't afford to. Now I happen to agree that wages need to rise,and there are many companies that are paying below living wages for their own purpose. But not every one that owns and runs a business are criminal and many can not afford to pay higher wages. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 04 Aug 15 7.41pm

Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 7.34pm

Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 7.27pm

Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 6.12pm

Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 5.51pm

Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm

Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm

And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise.

Then sort out the low wages...

And how are you going to that Nick.
Pay everyone wonderful wages even if the business can't afford to.
Now I happen to agree that wages need to rise,and there are many companies that are paying below living wages for their own purpose.
But not every one that owns and runs a business are criminal and many can not afford to pay higher wages.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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elgrande bedford 04 Aug 15 7.44pm
Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 6.12pm Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 5.51pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education. Really and you know this how? Yes they can come over and get 4/5 an hour work....But what does that do,nothing apart from keep the wages low for the people here already looking for jobs/housing/education/healthcare. i know this because i'm able to read the news and listen to their interviews where they tell people these things instead of coming up with the answer in my head, completely devoid of any evidence or logic. why do you think people are there? now remember, they get the same or better benefits in calais. it's just a few miles away. they aren't going to starve there. now, why is it that people would potentially risk their lives if it isn't for food, $, shelter? AND here's another piece of the puzzle to help you: they CAN NOT speak french but they CAN speak english. what say you to this incredibly challenging puzzle? Well if they settled in France they could.heres an idea...Learn French. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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Well if they settled in France they could.heres an idea...Learn French.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 04 Aug 15 7.45pm
Quote ghosteagle at 04 Aug 2015 7.18pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 7.16pm Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s* governments in hock to moneymen. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm) I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick! Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism. I think that even my grandson could work out that if say 100,000 people come in to the country then that's quite a bit of housing taken up ....or would you put them in tents ???? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted.

Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants.

The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s*** governments in hock to moneymen.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm)

I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick!

Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism.

I think that even my grandson could work out that if say 100,000 people come in to the country then that's quite a bit of housing taken up ....or would you put them in tents ????

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 15 7.48pm
Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 7.41pm Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 7.34pm Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 7.27pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 6.12pm Quote elgrande at 04 Aug 2015 5.51pm Quote nairb75 at 04 Aug 2015 5.33pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? they already get those benefits in france, germany and hungary. they aren't lining up in calais b/c of benefits. it's b/c they can speak english and have a much better prospect for work and education. Really and you know this how? Yes they can come over and get 4/5 an hour work....But what does that do,nothing apart from keep the wages low for the people here already looking for jobs/housing/education/healthcare. i know this because i'm able to read the news and listen to their interviews where they tell people these things instead of coming up with the answer in my head, completely devoid of any evidence or logic. why do you think people are there? now remember, they get the same or better benefits in calais. it's just a few miles away. they aren't going to starve there. now, why is it that people would potentially risk their lives if it isn't for food, $, shelter? AND here's another piece of the puzzle to help you: they CAN NOT speak french but they CAN speak english. what say you to this incredibly challenging puzzle? And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise. Then sort out the low wages... And how are you going to that Nick. Pay everyone wonderful wages even if the business can't afford to. Now I happen to agree that wages need to rise,and there are many companies that are paying below living wages for their own purpose. But not every one that owns and runs a business are criminal and many can not afford to pay higher wages. They should be criminalised if they are paying below minimum wage.
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And you chose to completely ignore the main part of my post about low wages....Surprise surprise.

Then sort out the low wages...

They should be criminalised if they are paying below minimum wage.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 15 7.52pm
Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 7.45pm Quote ghosteagle at 04 Aug 2015 7.18pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 7.16pm Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s* governments in hock to moneymen. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm) I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick! Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism. I think that even my grandson could work out that if say 100,000 people come in to the country then that's quite a bit of housing taken up ....or would you put them in tents ???? Why do people keep ignoring the 600000 empty properties in this country? They could house all of our own homeless and more. How much empty office / industrial space is there? Low rents and tax incentives could be used to encourage start ups.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s*** governments in hock to moneymen.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm)

Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism.

I think that even my grandson could work out that if say 100,000 people come in to the country then that's quite a bit of housing taken up ....or would you put them in tents ????

Why do people keep ignoring the 600000 empty properties in this country? They could house all of our own homeless and more.

How much empty office / industrial space is there? Low rents and tax incentives could be used to encourage start ups.

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Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 7.52pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 7.45pm Quote ghosteagle at 04 Aug 2015 7.18pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 7.16pm Quote nickgusset at 04 Aug 2015 5.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 5.36pm Quote susmik at 04 Aug 2015 4.31pm Quote crystal balls at 04 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 11.10am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 11.05am Quote The Sash at 04 Aug 2015 10.39am Quote fed up eagle at 04 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Catfish at 04 Aug 2015 8.43am Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time. There is nothing wrong with people coming here to set up a legitimate attempt at a better life through work etc, not the people in Calais who are hell bent on coming here because of all the riches it brings. They aren't proper immigrants, they are economic migrants. As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches Maybe I didn't put my point across correctly so apologies. My main point is that the people in Calais have no skill, we have enough unskilled labour that should be put to work. The left's main argument is that these people are escaping war torn parts of the world, well if that was the case they should claim asylum in the first country they arrive in, not travel across 5-6 borders and demanding that it's here that they want to come. Doctors, scientists, engineers, nurses, footballers yes, unskilled people who want to be propped up by the state a definite NO. Not actually true - there was an interview with a guy the other day on the Beeb - cant remember exact country of origin but he was a qualified accountant - now you could argue that accountancy isn't exactly an area where we need to welcome immigrants with CIMA qualifications with open arms but not everyone hopping the fence is here to grab as many benefits as they can and f* our daughters... For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am) The thing is, once an asylum seeker is granted asylum in any other EU country they will have the same rights to movement of labour as any other citizen throughout the EU, so could actually come here if they wanted. Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries. I have noticed that it is only immigrants in France at Calais that are breaking down fences, boarding trains, running through the tunnel and breaking into cars and Lorries that are in the public eye. This is not happening in Germany or Hungary. I wonder why....could it be that we pay ANYONE who enters a pile of cash and give them a house and free healthcare which in turn brings the whole countries services to a critical state as it is now.....not to mention once some are in they bring their whole family tribe in???? Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir. No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs. The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s* governments in hock to moneymen. Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm) I did say in my post that the crisis was in housing and healthcare hence that is why hospitals are stretched to the limit and the housing situation is so bad with immigrants taking it all whether or not it is council housing or private rental it stops our own youngsters and fellow citizens getting a home over their heads. Its not rocket science to work out that if a few thousand people come into the country whether legal or otherwise they need a roof over their heads and if they need medical care then our doctors and hospitals supply it. It has nothing to do with successive governments not putting the money in. if it was not for the thousands of people flooding our little island over the past 20 odd years or more we would be fine and get to see our doctor quicker that in a two week waiting time period Nick! Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism. I think that even my grandson could work out that if say 100,000 people come in to the country then that's quite a bit of housing taken up ....or would you put them in tents ???? Why do people keep ignoring the 600000 empty properties in this country? They could house all of our own homeless and more. How much empty office / industrial space is there? Low rents and tax incentives could be used to encourage start ups. It's not 'red top' headlines? Time to move forward together.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is.

Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason?

If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.

As are pretty much 99% of those here legally.

Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches

For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it.

Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)

Exacttly. You hit the nail on the head Sir.

No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
The country isn't in crisis because of immigration, it's in crisis because of successive s*** governments in hock to moneymen.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Aug 2015 6.14pm)

Do you have any evidence for this claim? I ask because without figures to back it up it just looks like casual racism.

I think that even my grandson could work out that if say 100,000 people come in to the country then that's quite a bit of housing taken up ....or would you put them in tents ????

Why do people keep ignoring the 600000 empty properties in this country? They could house all of our own homeless and more.

How much empty office / industrial space is there? Low rents and tax incentives could be used to encourage start ups.

It's not 'red top' headlines?

Time to move forward together.

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Quote JL85 at 04 Aug 2015 7.16pm Quote Fazil Bawlty at 04 Aug 2015 6.50pm You really need to distinguish the difference between immigrants (mostly economic, financial migrants), and refugees / asylum seekers, driven towards the UK due to political and social hardship. Many of those in Calais (such as the reported 13 y/o old orphan who has led his 8 y/o brother to safety only to be denied and victimised as an 'immigrant'). Fact is, the UK is only ranked 16th out of the 28 EU members in the rate of refugees coming in. Only 0.24% of our population are refugees. We take in fewer than most EU countries. It's disgusting that parties such as UKIP have made this a prominent area of UK politics. The 7000 or so people coming into Britain from Calais - most of whom will work their fingers to the bone to survive and pay into our economy - shouldn't be vilified but cherished as they prove the success of our nation which has historically helped those plagued with political hardships and violence abroad. We're a tolerant, liberal society, grow up. Such a shame that posts containing actual statistics are completely ignored in favour of walls of text built on fallacies and conjecture. Yep, there's such a haze of hysteria and fear surrounding these refugees, people are losing all sense and moderation, allowing the prejudices of a minority to dominate fact.
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You really need to distinguish the difference between immigrants (mostly economic, financial migrants), and refugees / asylum seekers, driven towards the UK due to political and social hardship. Many of those in Calais (such as the reported 13 y/o old orphan who has led his 8 y/o brother to safety only to be denied and victimised as an 'immigrant'). Fact is, the UK is only ranked 16th out of the 28 EU members in the rate of refugees coming in. Only 0.24% of our population are refugees. We take in fewer than most EU countries. It's disgusting that parties such as UKIP have made this a prominent area of UK politics. The 7000 or so people coming into Britain from Calais - most of whom will work their fingers to the bone to survive and pay into our economy - shouldn't be vilified but cherished as they prove the success of our nation which has historically helped those plagued with political hardships and violence abroad. We're a tolerant, liberal society, grow up.

Such a shame that posts containing actual statistics are completely ignored in favour of walls of text built on fallacies and conjecture.

Yep, there's such a haze of hysteria and fear surrounding these refugees, people are losing all sense and moderation, allowing the prejudices of a minority to dominate fact.

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