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No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...


I've worked as a nightclub promoter in the West End, this actually happens.


having worked the doors in a few clubs, your damm right it happens, espcially when their pissed up, w***ered on drugs or looking for a fight, black or white, however if your black its easy to throw the race card in your face

Again, no. This happens. Even to sober, mild-mannered people. Clubs in the West end don't want to many non-white clientelle, purely for their image.

Plenty about it on Google if you do a simple search:

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2 of the clubs mentioned, my friend promotes for.

Why where you looking at mums net ? dirty boy.



Again no what ?, your links are hearsay, third person at best, typical reviews from pissed off punters, where is the solid data to back up your claim that promoters of a money making buisness are refusing to take money of people because of the colour of their skin ?... and from your first link what exactly is a black name ?

So we'll completely gloss over my own experiences as a customer and a club promoter, my club promoter friend who experiences this regularly and the many customer reviews for nightclubs online then?

You honestly can't be obtuse enough to not know what a black name is? Do you know any African people? The majority of names and surnames can be traced to a specific country, race and even religion.

I think you've mistaken me for a race crusader. I'm not. I don't think Britain is a racist country. Sure, pockets of racism exist in this country, but I feel a lot safer travelling to certain areas than I could have done 15 years ago.

 


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I dont think it's soley because of skin colour Mad old buddy, more a case of if you've come to a club looking like a memeber of the Crips, then chances are you will get "jog on sunshine".

Its hard not to stereo type people when they constantly play up to that stereo type, and indeed in some cases try to emmulate the Gangsta look, and then are totally gobsmacked/surprised/outraged when they get pulled over/refused entry.

I know all about dont read a book by its cover, but when so very many books have the same content as covers it's hard not to assume they are all the same.

Edited by dannyh (04 Jun 2015 1.33pm)

No mate, I mean people being told "you're not on the guestlist" or "not tonight" when they were and dressed appropriately or "we're at capacity" but actually not, and those that "fit the quota" being let in. I've been on the other side of it, stood next to the girl holding the guestlist and her having to tell them they can't come in, on order from the bouncers, who were following the club's orders. A mate of mine, who is black, has had to lie to is mates on why they can't come in, to avoid any drama.

No one dresses like "The Crips" or a gangsta in the West End, you're probably thinking South London

It's happened to me only once, but if a business doesn't want my money, I'm not going to beg them or cry racism, more fool them really.


Those scenarios are experienced by plenty of white blokes too.

I don't know if you agree but door staff/club policies are more likely to be sexist, than racist.

 


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I dont think it's soley because of skin colour Mad old buddy, more a case of if you've come to a club looking like a memeber of the Crips, then chances are you will get "jog on sunshine".

Its hard not to stereo type people when they constantly play up to that stereo type, and indeed in some cases try to emmulate the Gangsta look, and then are totally gobsmacked/surprised/outraged when they get pulled over/refused entry.

I know all about dont read a book by its cover, but when so very many books have the same content as covers it's hard not to assume they are all the same.

Edited by dannyh (04 Jun 2015 1.33pm)

No mate, I mean people being told "you're not on the guestlist" or "not tonight" when they were and dressed appropriately or "we're at capacity" but actually not, and those that "fit the quota" being let in. I've been on the other side of it, stood next to the girl holding the guestlist and her having to tell them they can't come in, on order from the bouncers, who were following the club's orders. A mate of mine, who is black, has had to lie to is mates on why they can't come in, to avoid any drama.

No one dresses like "The Crips" or a gangsta in the West End, you're probably thinking South London

It's happened to me only once, but if a business doesn't want my money, I'm not going to beg them or cry racism, more fool them really.


Those scenarios are experienced by plenty of white blokes too.

I don't know if you agree but door staff/club policies are more likely to be sexist, than racist.

I've certainly experienced it - I just put it down to one of:

* God's way of telling me it's time to go home

* I'm an ugly c**t with no dress sense who will do no club a favour by being seen there

 

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I'm not saying that racism is the sole reason for anything. There are many, many forms of discrimination which are embroiled within society, and all of them should be tackled. What I'm saying is that racism remains prevalent within British society, and leads us to tolerate unimaginable harm and suffering to people in the poorest of conditions. I wouldn't even say that racism is the issue itself: it is the justification for us turning a blind eye to, for example, slavery in China, mass-murder in the middle east or even incarceration in Britain.

The beautiful thing about politics is it gives you an avenue to help people who for one reason or other can't help themselves. That could be a disabled person who can't work being provided for by the state so they can lead a dignified life, or a child in a third world country being given a decent education. That's why when I see those people drowning in the mediterranean and our society's primary concern being ourselves I despair, because if we were in their position, we would be desperate for help.

People die in horrible ways everyday unseen or seen from a camera....Are they helped? Seeing dead children in the Mediterranean is no doubt a disaster as is a child unseen starving to death....But it is by no means the responsibility of anyone here. Most people only feel responsible for what is in their sphere of influence.


Then why do people feel so passionately about immigration, or global warming, considering that both things are outside of their sphere of influence?

The anniversary of 9/11 is still a day of significant commemoration, not just in America but in Britain too. Yet more people have died in the Mediterranean already this year than died that day. So why is one seen as so more relevant and personal than the other? You're far more likely to drown than be killed by a terrorist, so the argument that it represents more of a threat to individual security is nonsense. Of course race plays a role in how people regard tragedy.


Edited by serial thriller (04 Jun 2015 11.25am)

This is an incredibly stupid statement, even for you serial. To suggest that somehow the drownings of some illegal immigrants in the Med is as much a security risk to us than western hating terrorists flying planes into buildings, blowing up trains and buses and hacking people to death in the street, is simply breathtaking.

Well obviously, but it is notable, that not by much. 450 in the UK die by drowning, on average, in any given year.

Meanwhile, Islamic terrorism hasn't actually managed to kill that many UK citizens in 12 years. Indeed the number of UK deaths, including military and MOD staff, in Afghanistan totals 453, of which 49 are non-combat deaths (most of the deaths occurring during the pacification of the Helmand province, from 2006 onwards).

Of course, drowning pales into insignificance compared to influenza which kills around 20,000 people in the UK in any given year (it rose last year by a third, to 28,000 people).

Since 9/11, terrorists on the mainland have managed to kill 58 people. There has been four 'successful' Islamist plots of which only the 7/7 Bombings and Lee Rigby murder were genuinely successful, and one successful Far Right attempt (the murder of Mohammed Saleem).

At a push you could include the Glasgow airport attack as successful, as it killed one terrorist. Similarly the Exeter bombing was successful, but resulted only injuries being sustained by the attacker.

Of course there is a real threat there, its just that its no way proportional to the way we regard that threat as almost omnipresent.


 


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No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...


I've worked as a nightclub promoter in the West End, this actually happens.


having worked the doors in a few clubs, your damm right it happens, espcially when their pissed up, w***ered on drugs or looking for a fight, black or white, however if your black its easy to throw the race card in your face

Again, no. This happens. Even to sober, mild-mannered people. Clubs in the West end don't want to many non-white clientelle, purely for their image.

Plenty about it on Google if you do a simple search:

[Link]
[Link]
[Link]
[Link]


2 of the clubs mentioned, my friend promotes for.

Why where you looking at mums net ? dirty boy.



Again no what ?, your links are hearsay, third person at best, typical reviews from pissed off punters, where is the solid data to back up your claim that promoters of a money making buisness are refusing to take money of people because of the colour of their skin ?... and from your first link what exactly is a black name ?

So we'll completely gloss over my own experiences as a customer and a club promoter, my club promoter friend who experiences this regularly and the many customer reviews for nightclubs online then?

You honestly can't be obtuse enough to not know what a black name is? Do you know any African people? The majority of names and surnames can be traced to a specific country, race and even religion.

I think you've mistaken me for a race crusader. I'm not. I don't think Britain is a racist country. Sure, pockets of racism exist in this country, but I feel a lot safer travelling to certain areas than I could have done 15 years ago.


By the same token you will gloss over mine as a doorman ?...this is a website not a personal attack on you...so cut out the obtuse bollocks ok ?...is jason puncheon an obvious black name ? .. if the woman in the review had said african names fair enough, she didnt she said black names..tim green, michael thomas and peter lago which ones black ? real names real people and one is black ?

 


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I'm not saying that racism is the sole reason for anything. There are many, many forms of discrimination which are embroiled within society, and all of them should be tackled. What I'm saying is that racism remains prevalent within British society, and leads us to tolerate unimaginable harm and suffering to people in the poorest of conditions. I wouldn't even say that racism is the issue itself: it is the justification for us turning a blind eye to, for example, slavery in China, mass-murder in the middle east or even incarceration in Britain.

The beautiful thing about politics is it gives you an avenue to help people who for one reason or other can't help themselves. That could be a disabled person who can't work being provided for by the state so they can lead a dignified life, or a child in a third world country being given a decent education. That's why when I see those people drowning in the mediterranean and our society's primary concern being ourselves I despair, because if we were in their position, we would be desperate for help.

People die in horrible ways everyday unseen or seen from a camera....Are they helped? Seeing dead children in the Mediterranean is no doubt a disaster as is a child unseen starving to death....But it is by no means the responsibility of anyone here. Most people only feel responsible for what is in their sphere of influence.


Then why do people feel so passionately about immigration, or global warming, considering that both things are outside of their sphere of influence?

The anniversary of 9/11 is still a day of significant commemoration, not just in America but in Britain too. Yet more people have died in the Mediterranean already this year than died that day. So why is one seen as so more relevant and personal than the other? You're far more likely to drown than be killed by a terrorist, so the argument that it represents more of a threat to individual security is nonsense. Of course race plays a role in how people regard tragedy.


Edited by serial thriller (04 Jun 2015 11.25am)

This is an incredibly stupid statement, even for you serial. To suggest that somehow the drownings of some illegal immigrants in the Med is as much a security risk to us than western hating terrorists flying planes into buildings, blowing up trains and buses and hacking people to death in the street, is simply breathtaking.

Well obviously, but it is notable, that not by much. 450 in the UK die by drowning, on average, in any given year.

Meanwhile, Islamic terrorism hasn't actually managed to kill that many UK citizens in 12 years. Indeed the number of UK deaths, including military and MOD staff, in Afghanistan totals 453, of which 49 are non-combat deaths (most of the deaths occurring during the pacification of the Helmand province, from 2006 onwards).

Of course, drowning pales into insignificance compared to influenza which kills around 20,000 people in the UK in any given year (it rose last year by a third, to 28,000 people).

Since 9/11, terrorists on the mainland have managed to kill 58 people. There has been four 'successful' Islamist plots of which only the 7/7 Bombings and Lee Rigby murder were genuinely successful, and one successful Far Right attempt (the murder of Mohammed Saleem).

At a push you could include the Glasgow airport attack as successful, as it killed one terrorist. Similarly the Exeter bombing was successful, but resulted only injuries being sustained by the attacker.

Of course there is a real threat there, its just that its no way proportional to the way we regard that threat as almost omnipresent.


My all time favourite - terrorist beaten up whilst he was on fire - you have got to love that aggressive ginger streak the jocks have where they are happy to give someone a f***ing up who's blazing...


 


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I'm not saying that racism is the sole reason for anything. There are many, many forms of discrimination which are embroiled within society, and all of them should be tackled. What I'm saying is that racism remains prevalent within British society, and leads us to tolerate unimaginable harm and suffering to people in the poorest of conditions. I wouldn't even say that racism is the issue itself: it is the justification for us turning a blind eye to, for example, slavery in China, mass-murder in the middle east or even incarceration in Britain.

The beautiful thing about politics is it gives you an avenue to help people who for one reason or other can't help themselves. That could be a disabled person who can't work being provided for by the state so they can lead a dignified life, or a child in a third world country being given a decent education. That's why when I see those people drowning in the mediterranean and our society's primary concern being ourselves I despair, because if we were in their position, we would be desperate for help.

People die in horrible ways everyday unseen or seen from a camera....Are they helped? Seeing dead children in the Mediterranean is no doubt a disaster as is a child unseen starving to death....But it is by no means the responsibility of anyone here. Most people only feel responsible for what is in their sphere of influence.


Then why do people feel so passionately about immigration, or global warming, considering that both things are outside of their sphere of influence?

The anniversary of 9/11 is still a day of significant commemoration, not just in America but in Britain too. Yet more people have died in the Mediterranean already this year than died that day. So why is one seen as so more relevant and personal than the other? You're far more likely to drown than be killed by a terrorist, so the argument that it represents more of a threat to individual security is nonsense. Of course race plays a role in how people regard tragedy.


Edited by serial thriller (04 Jun 2015 11.25am)

This is an incredibly stupid statement, even for you serial. To suggest that somehow the drownings of some illegal immigrants in the Med is as much a security risk to us than western hating terrorists flying planes into buildings, blowing up trains and buses and hacking people to death in the street, is simply breathtaking.

Well obviously, but it is notable, that not by much. 450 in the UK die by drowning, on average, in any given year.

Meanwhile, Islamic terrorism hasn't actually managed to kill that many UK citizens in 12 years. Indeed the number of UK deaths, including military and MOD staff, in Afghanistan totals 453, of which 49 are non-combat deaths (most of the deaths occurring during the pacification of the Helmand province, from 2006 onwards).

Of course, drowning pales into insignificance compared to influenza which kills around 20,000 people in the UK in any given year (it rose last year by a third, to 28,000 people).

Since 9/11, terrorists on the mainland have managed to kill 58 people. There has been four 'successful' Islamist plots of which only the 7/7 Bombings and Lee Rigby murder were genuinely successful, and one successful Far Right attempt (the murder of Mohammed Saleem).

At a push you could include the Glasgow airport attack as successful, as it killed one terrorist. Similarly the Exeter bombing was successful, but resulted only injuries being sustained by the attacker.

Of course there is a real threat there, its just that its no way proportional to the way we regard that threat as almost omnipresent.


My all time favourite - terrorist beaten up whilst he was on fire - you have got to love that aggressive ginger streak the jocks have where they are happy to give someone a f***ing up who's blazing...


The burning man was lucky not be to stabbed, raped, robbed and left for dead on the side of the road in Paisley. Maybe the guy was trying to put him out?


 


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I'm not saying that racism is the sole reason for anything. There are many, many forms of discrimination which are embroiled within society, and all of them should be tackled. What I'm saying is that racism remains prevalent within British society, and leads us to tolerate unimaginable harm and suffering to people in the poorest of conditions. I wouldn't even say that racism is the issue itself: it is the justification for us turning a blind eye to, for example, slavery in China, mass-murder in the middle east or even incarceration in Britain.

The beautiful thing about politics is it gives you an avenue to help people who for one reason or other can't help themselves. That could be a disabled person who can't work being provided for by the state so they can lead a dignified life, or a child in a third world country being given a decent education. That's why when I see those people drowning in the mediterranean and our society's primary concern being ourselves I despair, because if we were in their position, we would be desperate for help.

People die in horrible ways everyday unseen or seen from a camera....Are they helped? Seeing dead children in the Mediterranean is no doubt a disaster as is a child unseen starving to death....But it is by no means the responsibility of anyone here. Most people only feel responsible for what is in their sphere of influence.


Then why do people feel so passionately about immigration, or global warming, considering that both things are outside of their sphere of influence?

The anniversary of 9/11 is still a day of significant commemoration, not just in America but in Britain too. Yet more people have died in the Mediterranean already this year than died that day. So why is one seen as so more relevant and personal than the other? You're far more likely to drown than be killed by a terrorist, so the argument that it represents more of a threat to individual security is nonsense. Of course race plays a role in how people regard tragedy.


Edited by serial thriller (04 Jun 2015 11.25am)

This is an incredibly stupid statement, even for you serial. To suggest that somehow the drownings of some illegal immigrants in the Med is as much a security risk to us than western hating terrorists flying planes into buildings, blowing up trains and buses and hacking people to death in the street, is simply breathtaking.

Well obviously, but it is notable, that not by much. 450 in the UK die by drowning, on average, in any given year.

Meanwhile, Islamic terrorism hasn't actually managed to kill that many UK citizens in 12 years. Indeed the number of UK deaths, including military and MOD staff, in Afghanistan totals 453, of which 49 are non-combat deaths (most of the deaths occurring during the pacification of the Helmand province, from 2006 onwards).

Of course, drowning pales into insignificance compared to influenza which kills around 20,000 people in the UK in any given year (it rose last year by a third, to 28,000 people).

Since 9/11, terrorists on the mainland have managed to kill 58 people. There has been four 'successful' Islamist plots of which only the 7/7 Bombings and Lee Rigby murder were genuinely successful, and one successful Far Right attempt (the murder of Mohammed Saleem).

At a push you could include the Glasgow airport attack as successful, as it killed one terrorist. Similarly the Exeter bombing was successful, but resulted only injuries being sustained by the attacker.

Of course there is a real threat there, its just that its no way proportional to the way we regard that threat as almost omnipresent.


I agree with you to an extent in that terrorist acts usually only affects a small number of people (although nearly 3,000 on 9/11), but it is a bit like saying the 1918 flu pandemic killed 50,000,000 worldwide, so World War I was unimportant by comparison.

Terrorism is more important in that there is a significant amount of support of it in some British communities, and there will undoubtedly be more of it here. Mohammed Saleem was killed by a right wing nutter - a right wing immigrant nutter. The terrorist threat from the right in this country is negligible. There is also no limit to what the current crop of terrorists are prepared to do, the more they can kill the happier they are.

 

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People die in horrible ways everyday unseen or seen from a camera....Are they helped? Seeing dead children in the Mediterranean is no doubt a disaster as is a child unseen starving to death....But it is by no means the responsibility of anyone here. Most people only feel responsible for what is in their sphere of influence.


Then why do people feel so passionately about immigration, or global warming, considering that both things are outside of their sphere of influence?

The anniversary of 9/11 is still a day of significant commemoration, not just in America but in Britain too. Yet more people have died in the Mediterranean already this year than died that day. So why is one seen as so more relevant and personal than the other? You're far more likely to drown than be killed by a terrorist, so the argument that it represents more of a threat to individual security is nonsense. Of course race plays a role in how people regard tragedy.


Edited by serial thriller (04 Jun 2015 11.25am)

Because immigration has an effect of the lives of people here, so they have an opinion on it. They have an influence in their vote choice.

People can respond to global warming by altering their personal behaviour. So even that applies.

I won't cover the bias around culturally similar peoples because that's already been explained well in the thread....You yourself hit the nail quite squarely on that one.....The only thing is you probably regard that aspect of human nature as unfortunate where I regard it as a fundamental of human nature....Not good or bad....It just is.

 


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I dont think it's soley because of skin colour Mad old buddy, more a case of if you've come to a club looking like a memeber of the Crips, then chances are you will get "jog on sunshine".

Its hard not to stereo type people when they constantly play up to that stereo type, and indeed in some cases try to emmulate the Gangsta look, and then are totally gobsmacked/surprised/outraged when they get pulled over/refused entry.

I know all about dont read a book by its cover, but when so very many books have the same content as covers it's hard not to assume they are all the same.

Edited by dannyh (04 Jun 2015 1.33pm)

No mate, I mean people being told "you're not on the guestlist" or "not tonight" when they were and dressed appropriately or "we're at capacity" but actually not, and those that "fit the quota" being let in. I've been on the other side of it, stood next to the girl holding the guestlist and her having to tell them they can't come in, on order from the bouncers, who were following the club's orders. A mate of mine, who is black, has had to lie to is mates on why they can't come in, to avoid any drama.

No one dresses like "The Crips" or a gangsta in the West End, you're probably thinking South London

It's happened to me only once, but if a business doesn't want my money, I'm not going to beg them or cry racism, more fool them really.


Those scenarios are experienced by plenty of white blokes too.

I don't know if you agree but door staff/club policies are more likely to be sexist, than racist.

I've certainly experienced it - I just put it down to one of:

* God's way of telling me it's time to go home

* I'm an ugly c**t with no dress sense who will do no club a favour by being seen there

Exactly. Nightclubs discriminate indiscriminately.

Depends on the night, the staff and who is already inside it.

 


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No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...


I've worked as a nightclub promoter in the West End, this actually happens.


having worked the doors in a few clubs, your damm right it happens, espcially when their pissed up, w***ered on drugs or looking for a fight, black or white, however if your black its easy to throw the race card in your face

Again, no. This happens. Even to sober, mild-mannered people. Clubs in the West end don't want to many non-white clientelle, purely for their image.

Plenty about it on Google if you do a simple search:

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[Link]
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2 of the clubs mentioned, my friend promotes for.

Why where you looking at mums net ? dirty boy.



Again no what ?, your links are hearsay, third person at best, typical reviews from pissed off punters, where is the solid data to back up your claim that promoters of a money making buisness are refusing to take money of people because of the colour of their skin ?... and from your first link what exactly is a black name ?

So we'll completely gloss over my own experiences as a customer and a club promoter, my club promoter friend who experiences this regularly and the many customer reviews for nightclubs online then?

You honestly can't be obtuse enough to not know what a black name is? Do you know any African people? The majority of names and surnames can be traced to a specific country, race and even religion.

I think you've mistaken me for a race crusader. I'm not. I don't think Britain is a racist country. Sure, pockets of racism exist in this country, but I feel a lot safer travelling to certain areas than I could have done 15 years ago.


By the same token you will gloss over mine as a doorman ?...this is a website not a personal attack on you...so cut out the obtuse bollocks ok ?...is jason puncheon an obvious black name ? .. if the woman in the review had said african names fair enough, she didnt she said black names..tim green, michael thomas and peter lago which ones black ? real names real people and one is black ?


I never glossed over your doorman experience, just highlighted that I've seen first hand that it happens. Never denied that people get turned away for the reasons you identified too. Of course, I've been turned away from clubs for being too pissed, with too many guys, not being dressed appropriately etc., but I have also been turned away because I "didn't fit the ethnic criteria" for that club.

I'm also fully aware that sexism exists for these places too, but the thread isn't about sexism in the UK is it?

In the example I gave, Fiasyo Longe is definitely not an English name, almost nailed on to be a black African too. My own name is Irish, so I do understand ethnicity by name isn't always crystal clear.

If you found me questioning if you're deliberately being obtuse offensive, I apologise, but you're not really taking in what I am saying.

 


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I dont think it's soley because of skin colour Mad old buddy, more a case of if you've come to a club looking like a memeber of the Crips, then chances are you will get "jog on sunshine".

Its hard not to stereo type people when they constantly play up to that stereo type, and indeed in some cases try to emmulate the Gangsta look, and then are totally gobsmacked/surprised/outraged when they get pulled over/refused entry.

I know all about dont read a book by its cover, but when so very many books have the same content as covers it's hard not to assume they are all the same.

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No mate, I mean people being told "you're not on the guestlist" or "not tonight" when they were and dressed appropriately or "we're at capacity" but actually not, and those that "fit the quota" being let in. I've been on the other side of it, stood next to the girl holding the guestlist and her having to tell them they can't come in, on order from the bouncers, who were following the club's orders. A mate of mine, who is black, has had to lie to is mates on why they can't come in, to avoid any drama.

No one dresses like "The Crips" or a gangsta in the West End, you're probably thinking South London

It's happened to me only once, but if a business doesn't want my money, I'm not going to beg them or cry racism, more fool them really.


Those scenarios are experienced by plenty of white blokes too.

I don't know if you agree but door staff/club policies are more likely to be sexist, than racist.

I've certainly experienced it - I just put it down to one of:

* God's way of telling me it's time to go home

* I'm an ugly c**t with no dress sense who will do no club a favour by being seen there

Exactly. Nightclubs discriminate indiscriminately.

Depends on the night, the staff and who is already inside it.

One of those criteria is often race...and this thread is about race so............

 


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