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 Mapletree  Croydon 24 May 15 10.56pm |
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Just read the Planet Swans forum, looking for a match report, and looked at their version of this thread. Blo*dy hell those boys are so much more sophisticated than those of us living in the most apparently multi-cultural and enlightened city in the world. Good grief they put us to shame.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 15 11.27pm |
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Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 10.56pm
Just read the Planet Swans forum, looking for a match report, and looked at their version of this thread. Blo*dy hell those boys are so much more sophisticated than those of us living in the most apparently multi-cultural and enlightened city in the world. Good grief they put us to shame. Maple thinks he's found sophisticated Welshmen.....Next it'll be Mermaids with STDs.
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 25 May 15 2.11am |
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Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 10.56pm
Just read the Planet Swans forum, looking for a match report, and looked at their version of this thread. Blo*dy hell those boys are so much more sophisticated than those of us living in the most apparently multi-cultural and enlightened city in the world. Good grief they put us to shame.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 25 May 15 9.30am |
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Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 24 May 2015 9.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 1.57pm
I'm not exactly a fan of what's happened but I think it's important to make a distinction between homosexuality, incest, and peadophilia. Homosexuality involves consent between partners. Peadophilia....Sex with children....By definition doesn't involve informed consent......Though I'm not one of those who rattles on about fifteen year olds being the same as five year olds like some do. Incest.....Can often involve abuse....In cases where it doesn't the children from these unions have much higher chances of deformities. There's good reason not to allow close genetic unions. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 2.04pm) [I'd just like to qualify that I am not an advocate of incest I am fully against it.] But regarding the logic applied to the rights of gay couples, I don't think that you can say there is a good reason to not allow 'close genetic unions'. - For a start, marriage in statute has nothing to do with childrearing, nor do advocates of equality in gay marriage profess right to childbearing, it is about equality and a union of love to them. - Based on the logic that the powers at be use, I could propose this question: - Surely two close relatives can love each other just as much as anyone else and make that official through marriage. - There is no guarantee that any children produced will be deformed and childbearing isn't a necessary quality of marriage. The point of this is that according to current law I can't see why marriage should not be an extended right accorded to incestuous couples. Yes, they're in a tiny minority but isn't that the point of the 'Big Society'. If there was a larger group of incestuous persons I think it would pass in an instant. To compare a type of consenting relationship to paedophilia (in the vast majority of cases) is misleading. [Again, I don't like or advocate for incestuous relationships or marriage, I'm just trying to work out how laws are formed and their basis] We do allow close genetic union - Cousins or more distant are exempt from incest. Big difference is a) consenting incest is really f**king rare b) the affect of homosexuality outside of the consenting adults is negligible to non-existant. Complete straw man argument that has no bearing on the actual reality of the point its trying to make.
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| ZIGnZAG Stoke 25 May 15 9.50am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 May 2015 9.30am
Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 24 May 2015 9.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 1.57pm
I'm not exactly a fan of what's happened but I think it's important to make a distinction between homosexuality, incest, and peadophilia. Homosexuality involves consent between partners. Peadophilia....Sex with children....By definition doesn't involve informed consent......Though I'm not one of those who rattles on about fifteen year olds being the same as five year olds like some do. Incest.....Can often involve abuse....In cases where it doesn't the children from these unions have much higher chances of deformities. There's good reason not to allow close genetic unions. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 2.04pm) [I'd just like to qualify that I am not an advocate of incest I am fully against it.] But regarding the logic applied to the rights of gay couples, I don't think that you can say there is a good reason to not allow 'close genetic unions'. - For a start, marriage in statute has nothing to do with childrearing, nor do advocates of equality in gay marriage profess right to childbearing, it is about equality and a union of love to them. - Based on the logic that the powers at be use, I could propose this question: - Surely two close relatives can love each other just as much as anyone else and make that official through marriage. - There is no guarantee that any children produced will be deformed and childbearing isn't a necessary quality of marriage. The point of this is that according to current law I can't see why marriage should not be an extended right accorded to incestuous couples. Yes, they're in a tiny minority but isn't that the point of the 'Big Society'. If there was a larger group of incestuous persons I think it would pass in an instant. To compare a type of consenting relationship to paedophilia (in the vast majority of cases) is misleading. [Again, I don't like or advocate for incestuous relationships or marriage, I'm just trying to work out how laws are formed and their basis] We do allow close genetic union - Cousins or more distant are exempt from incest. Big difference is a) consenting incest is really f**king rare b) the affect of homosexuality outside of the consenting adults is negligible to non-existant. Complete straw man argument that has no bearing on the actual reality of the point its trying to make.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 25 May 15 9.53am |
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The Vatican will not allow gay marriage in its cloistered hallways. It seems they do polygamy there. The more senior the clergyman the more 'wives' he has.
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| derben 25 May 15 10.06am |
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Quote PalazioVecchio at 25 May 2015 9.53am
The Vatican will not allow gay marriage in its cloistered hallways. It seems they do polygamy there. The more senior the clergyman the more 'wives' he has. I think you must be confusing the Vatican with a Mosque.
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| Hoof Hearted 25 May 15 10.13am | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 May 2015 6.36pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 6.19pm
Quote Kermit8 at 24 May 2015 6.04pm
Live and let live. And for those that think otherwise....it is not homosexuals who are not normal but your good selves. Unfortunately, you won't have the intelligence or self-awareness to see that but hey, ho! Kermy, for such an intelligent and self aware student of life like yourself, you really shouldn't have that comma inbetween 'hey ho'. I'm being an arse...I know. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 6.19pm)
And just to reiterate, use of a colon is fine if that is your bag
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| Hoof Hearted 25 May 15 10.15am | |
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Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 6.44pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 6.34pm
Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 1.48pm
Quote coulsdoneagle at 24 May 2015 1.31pm
Just a quick point, how many accidental or unplanned babies do Gay couples have? Answer = none. Also because of the difficulty with adopting and other methods, its pretty hard to get a kid without being deemed fit and proper as a gay parent. Yet still I hear people chatting tripe about how the 'traditional family unit is important,' why,? Also to all of you neanderthals comparing Homosexuality to incest and Paedophiles, you are f**cking morons. Edited by coulsdoneagle (24 May 2015 1.37pm)
That's a good thing right, planned parenthood and adoption of all those unwanted babies that 'gods' way produces? Presumably contraception, oral sex, handjobs, bdsm, mutual masturbation, sterility, vesectimies, hysterectomies and so on and so forth are all wrong (as they prevent the sacred miracle of getting knocked up).
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 25 May 15 10.21am |
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Hopefully this means that annoying little sh1t Graham Norton will piss off back to Oireland.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 25 May 15 10.29am |
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Quote derben at 25 May 2015 10.06am
Quote PalazioVecchio at 25 May 2015 9.53am
The Vatican will not allow gay marriage in its cloistered hallways. It seems they do polygamy there. The more senior the clergyman the more 'wives' he has. I think you must be confusing the Vatican with a Mosque.
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| Stirlingsays 25 May 15 11.06am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 May 2015 9.30am
We do allow close genetic union - Cousins or more distant are exempt from incest. Big difference is a) consenting incest is really f**king rare b) the affect of homosexuality outside of the consenting adults is negligible to non-existant. Complete straw man argument that has no bearing on the actual reality of the point its trying to make. No, it isn't a straw man argument at all. The comment, 'consenting incest is really f**king rare' is pointless and also appears to be plucked out of your own prejudices...I mean how on earth would you know? Besides it doesn't have any relation to the argument as obviously those cases where abuse is proven can simply not be allowed.....It isn't an argument against the legalising of incest marriage. Until the 1967 homosexaulity was banned in Britain....The argument against it, outside of religion, was mainly the public's 'yuk' factor as what goes on between consenting adults isn't their business....'individual rights' won and even Thatcher voted to legalise. It was, I'm sure most of agree a good thing. To my mind the main arguments against incest is that it obviously can cause internal family conflict...But it isn't for the state to tell people how to conduct their family life outside of sex with minors so in cases where people are beyond the age of consent the argument becomes a very old fashioned one. Secondly As we have seen, getting married and producing children with higher risks of deformaties is allowed for couples with conditions so that argument can't be rationally used to stop incest marriage either. No, it's just the 'yuk' factor and distaste and considering that this was the argument against homosexuality until reformers campaigned and won against it I can't see what valid argument exists against incest marriage. The law exists for everyone and if we are going to have different strokes for different strokes then we should be consistent. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2015 11.10am)
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