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Risking death to make a better life sure trumps some kind of citizenship test. Such bravery and determination does not wash away as soon as they reach shore. I'm not saying any country should be forced to accept these people, just that they display traits that are enviable. Edited by imbored (23 Apr 2015 10.14pm)
This is the one thing that for the life of me I've never understood. Why do people pay extortionate amounts of money to these slave traders when in effect all they have to do is buy an airline ticket and book a hotel say in Europe (or the USA If they are coming in from South/Central America)and overstay there Visa???
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 15 9.34am |
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Quote Jimenez at 23 Apr 2015 10.40pm
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Risking death to make a better life sure trumps some kind of citizenship test. Such bravery and determination does not wash away as soon as they reach shore. I'm not saying any country should be forced to accept these people, just that they display traits that are enviable. Edited by imbored (23 Apr 2015 10.14pm)
This is the one thing that for the life of me I've never understood. Why do people pay extortionate amounts of money to these slave traders when in effect all they have to do is buy an airline ticket and book a hotel say in Europe (or the USA If they are coming in from South/Central America)and overstay there Visa???
Usually because refugees generally are fleeing, they don't have passports and documentation, and usually are somewhat reluctant to risk the security checks and cross references required when buying tickets at an airport, in said oppressive regime. Which is why they tend to pay more to traffickers, than it would normally cost to get out of the country, so they can avoid the border patrols.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Apr 15 12.00pm |
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Quote Stuk at 23 Apr 2015 5.18pm
To say that "we" rape, torture and kill asylum seekers is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. "we" put some of them in detention centres while they're processed. They're housed and fed and the bullying, I dare say, is from other asylum seekers.
The fact is that 'we' know from these journalistic enquiries (which I do recommend reading - they are very eye-opening) that abuse is rife within detention centres, particularly for women and the LGBT community, who make up a fairly sizeable proportion of asylum seekers. There have been enquiries in to the running of these detention centres and changes have been made, so fewer children are kept indefinitely, but because the companies running the detention centres are private and non-accountable, they haven't got the obligation to be as transparent as a public institution, and the number of these places is only increasing. Day to day life is clearly hellish, hence the large accounts of suicide, and the fast-track justice service given to these people isn't doing the job. Also considering you are keen for me to show my evidence, where's your evidence for your last claim? If I didn't suspect better I'd guess you'd just pulled it out of your arse...
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Apr 15 12.20pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Apr 2015 9.34am
Quote Jimenez at 23 Apr 2015 10.40pm
Quote crystal balls at 23 Apr 2015 10.34pm
Quote Jimenez at 23 Apr 2015 10.30pm
Quote matt_himself at 23 Apr 2015 10.18pm
Quote imbored at 23 Apr 2015 10.13pm
Risking death to make a better life sure trumps some kind of citizenship test. Such bravery and determination does not wash away as soon as they reach shore. I'm not saying any country should be forced to accept these people, just that they display traits that are enviable. Edited by imbored (23 Apr 2015 10.14pm)
This is the one thing that for the life of me I've never understood. Why do people pay extortionate amounts of money to these slave traders when in effect all they have to do is buy an airline ticket and book a hotel say in Europe (or the USA If they are coming in from South/Central America)and overstay there Visa???
Usually because refugees generally are fleeing, they don't have passports and documentation, and usually are somewhat reluctant to risk the security checks and cross references required when buying tickets at an airport, in said oppressive regime. Which is why they tend to pay more to traffickers, than it would normally cost to get out of the country, so they can avoid the border patrols.
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| Stuk Top half 24 Apr 15 12.27pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 24 Apr 2015 12.00pm
Quote Stuk at 23 Apr 2015 5.18pm
To say that "we" rape, torture and kill asylum seekers is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. "we" put some of them in detention centres while they're processed. They're housed and fed and the bullying, I dare say, is from other asylum seekers.
The fact is that 'we' know from these journalistic enquiries (which I do recommend reading - they are very eye-opening) that abuse is rife within detention centres, particularly for women and the LGBT community, who make up a fairly sizeable proportion of asylum seekers. There have been enquiries in to the running of these detention centres and changes have been made, so fewer children are kept indefinitely, but because the companies running the detention centres are private and non-accountable, they haven't got the obligation to be as transparent as a public institution, and the number of these places is only increasing. Day to day life is clearly hellish, hence the large accounts of suicide, and the fast-track justice service given to these people isn't doing the job. Also considering you are keen for me to show my evidence, where's your evidence for your last claim? If I didn't suspect better I'd guess you'd just pulled it out of your arse... That's not proof, it's a load of links to wade through. You said this is happening so you should be able to easily post one categorical fact about asylum seekers that "we" British have killed, raped or tortured. "Nearly half of immigrants held in Brook said that they had been victimised by other detainees" Not so hard is it.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Apr 15 12.43pm |
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Quote Stuk at 24 Apr 2015 12.27pm
Quote serial thriller at 24 Apr 2015 12.00pm
Quote Stuk at 23 Apr 2015 5.18pm
To say that "we" rape, torture and kill asylum seekers is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. "we" put some of them in detention centres while they're processed. They're housed and fed and the bullying, I dare say, is from other asylum seekers.
The fact is that 'we' know from these journalistic enquiries (which I do recommend reading - they are very eye-opening) that abuse is rife within detention centres, particularly for women and the LGBT community, who make up a fairly sizeable proportion of asylum seekers. There have been enquiries in to the running of these detention centres and changes have been made, so fewer children are kept indefinitely, but because the companies running the detention centres are private and non-accountable, they haven't got the obligation to be as transparent as a public institution, and the number of these places is only increasing. Day to day life is clearly hellish, hence the large accounts of suicide, and the fast-track justice service given to these people isn't doing the job. Also considering you are keen for me to show my evidence, where's your evidence for your last claim? If I didn't suspect better I'd guess you'd just pulled it out of your arse... That's not proof, it's a load of links to wade through. You said this is happening so you should be able to easily post one categorical fact about asylum seekers that "we" British have killed, raped or tortured. "Nearly half of immigrants held in Brook said that they had been victimised by other detainees" Not so hard is it.
Stuk, I have one question: do you think we can and should do more to help these people than we currently are?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 15 12.47pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 24 Apr 2015 12.43pm
Stuk, I have one question: do you think we can and should do more to help these people than we currently are?
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| Stuk Top half 24 Apr 15 1.17pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 24 Apr 2015 12.43pm
Quote Stuk at 24 Apr 2015 12.27pm
Quote serial thriller at 24 Apr 2015 12.00pm
Quote Stuk at 23 Apr 2015 5.18pm
To say that "we" rape, torture and kill asylum seekers is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. "we" put some of them in detention centres while they're processed. They're housed and fed and the bullying, I dare say, is from other asylum seekers.
The fact is that 'we' know from these journalistic enquiries (which I do recommend reading - they are very eye-opening) that abuse is rife within detention centres, particularly for women and the LGBT community, who make up a fairly sizeable proportion of asylum seekers. There have been enquiries in to the running of these detention centres and changes have been made, so fewer children are kept indefinitely, but because the companies running the detention centres are private and non-accountable, they haven't got the obligation to be as transparent as a public institution, and the number of these places is only increasing. Day to day life is clearly hellish, hence the large accounts of suicide, and the fast-track justice service given to these people isn't doing the job. Also considering you are keen for me to show my evidence, where's your evidence for your last claim? If I didn't suspect better I'd guess you'd just pulled it out of your arse... That's not proof, it's a load of links to wade through. You said this is happening so you should be able to easily post one categorical fact about asylum seekers that "we" British have killed, raped or tortured. "Nearly half of immigrants held in Brook said that they had been victimised by other detainees" Not so hard is it.
Stuk, I have one question: do you think we can and should do more to help these people than we currently are?
Feeding and housing them is almost as bad as shooting them in the head... okay...
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Apr 15 1.20pm |
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I give up.
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| ghosteagle 24 Apr 15 1.33pm |
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Stuk, I have one question: do you think we can and should do more to help these people than we currently are? Stuk has neither the time nor the inclination to answer your questions on so-called 'morality'. Stuk is above such petty mortal concerns as life and death and will only converse in future with beings from Krypton.
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| Stuk Top half 24 Apr 15 2.21pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 24 Apr 2015 1.33pm
Stuk has neither the time nor the inclination to answer your questions on so-called 'morality'. Stuk is above such petty mortal concerns as life and death and will only converse in future with beings from Krypton.
You can find his evidence for him if you like. Edited by Stuk (24 Apr 2015 2.22pm)
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| ghosteagle 24 Apr 15 2.44pm |
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Quote Stuk at 24 Apr 2015 2.21pm
Quote ghosteagle at 24 Apr 2015 1.33pm
Stuk has neither the time nor the inclination to answer your questions on so-called 'morality'. Stuk is above such petty mortal concerns as life and death and will only converse in future with beings from Krypton.
You can find his evidence for him if you like. Edited by Stuk (24 Apr 2015 2.22pm) Stuk has neither the time nor the inclination to answer your questions on so-called 'morality' or look up your links to so-called 'information'. Stuk is above such petty mortal concerns as life and death and will only converse in future with beings from Krypton.
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