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Quote TheJudge at 09 Apr 2015 11.21pm
Edited by legaleagle (09 Apr 2015 8.09pm)
.................................................... You sure insult easy,Judge.No offence meant,just HOL general talk knockabout. Gawd knows what you'll be like if one of the more choice personal insulters lurking around here has a pop at you. Edited by legaleagle (10 Apr 2015 4.28pm)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2015 9.31am
What is interesting from these recent events, that have come up under racial shootings, is the number of events in which unarmed people have been shot and killed, by Police Officers. To me, this suggests poor training, in that officers are responding to threatening situations by immediately resorting to deadly force in situations which, in the UK, would result in a police officer facing a murder charge or manslaughter charge. The racism angle, which clearly is present in some of these cases, likely masks a much bigger problem of a police force that is poorly trained, ill disciplined with poor internal process and protocols of investigation that have been subverted by political expediency and justification (institutionalised racism in US society and the idea that just because someone is a criminal or been involved in a crime, then its a justified homicide). Shooting of unarmed civilians, even criminals who might look like they'd beat you in a fight, is not grounds for shooting.
Edited by legaleagle (10 Apr 2015 4.30pm)
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 kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 10 Apr 15 6.00pm |
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Quote iheartcpfc at 09 Apr 2015 2.18pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Apr 2015 10.10pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 10.03pm
Quote TUX at 08 Apr 2015 9.51pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 8.38pm
Quote TUX at 08 Apr 2015 7.47pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 6.49pm
This is a great post. I find the scapegoating of immigrants disgusting. UKIP in particular have a lot to answer for. I'm ashamed that there are people who speak to others like this in our country, minority or otherwise. This is faaaaaaaaaar from a great post. It's pathetic. Edited by TUX (08 Apr 2015 8.16pm)
Shouldn't you be in bed by now? I too (along with my family) have been a tax paying immigrant in the past (8yrs, not 4.5) and I could mention way more than 2 examples. That was a monthly occurrence tbh. So I speak from experience. Oh well. These things happen. Never will understand immigrants who pull up the drawbridge behind them He isn't suggesting the drawbridge should be pulled up. You don't appear to have understood his post at all. What you do appear to be doing is insulting people who don't agree with you and being generally unpleasant. Perhaps your yellow card is well earned.
ukip filth?
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| TheJudge 10 Apr 15 6.30pm |
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Quote kingdowieonthewall at 10 Apr 2015 6.00pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 09 Apr 2015 2.18pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Apr 2015 10.10pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 10.03pm
Quote TUX at 08 Apr 2015 9.51pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 8.38pm
Quote TUX at 08 Apr 2015 7.47pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 6.49pm
This is a great post. I find the scapegoating of immigrants disgusting. UKIP in particular have a lot to answer for. I'm ashamed that there are people who speak to others like this in our country, minority or otherwise. This is faaaaaaaaaar from a great post. It's pathetic. Edited by TUX (08 Apr 2015 8.16pm)
Shouldn't you be in bed by now? I too (along with my family) have been a tax paying immigrant in the past (8yrs, not 4.5) and I could mention way more than 2 examples. That was a monthly occurrence tbh. So I speak from experience. Oh well. These things happen. Never will understand immigrants who pull up the drawbridge behind them He isn't suggesting the drawbridge should be pulled up. You don't appear to have understood his post at all. What you do appear to be doing is insulting people who don't agree with you and being generally unpleasant. Perhaps your yellow card is well earned.
ukip filth? You should try the BBS. You are only allowed to have a political opinion if it is OK'd by committee.
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| TheJudge 11 Apr 15 2.39pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 10 Apr 2015 4.28pm
Quote TheJudge at 09 Apr 2015 11.21pm
Edited by legaleagle (09 Apr 2015 8.09pm)
.................................................... You sure insult easy,Judge.No offence meant,just HOL general talk knockabout. Gawd knows what you'll be like if one of the more choice personal insulters lurking around here has a pop at you. Edited by legaleagle (10 Apr 2015 4.28pm)
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| legaleagle 11 Apr 15 5.39pm |
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Judge,how you take it is completely a matter for you,though IMO nothing to apologise for.Equally,no desire in the exchange in question to offend your personal sensibilities.End of topic,I hope.
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Quote iheartcpfc at 09 Apr 2015 2.18pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Apr 2015 10.10pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 10.03pm
Quote TUX at 08 Apr 2015 9.51pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 8.38pm
Quote TUX at 08 Apr 2015 7.47pm
Quote iheartcpfc at 08 Apr 2015 6.49pm
This is a great post. I find the scapegoating of immigrants disgusting. UKIP in particular have a lot to answer for. I'm ashamed that there are people who speak to others like this in our country, minority or otherwise. This is faaaaaaaaaar from a great post. It's pathetic. Edited by TUX (08 Apr 2015 8.16pm)
Shouldn't you be in bed by now? I too (along with my family) have been a tax paying immigrant in the past (8yrs, not 4.5) and I could mention way more than 2 examples. That was a monthly occurrence tbh. So I speak from experience. Oh well. These things happen. Never will understand immigrants who pull up the drawbridge behind them He isn't suggesting the drawbridge should be pulled up. You don't appear to have understood his post at all. What you do appear to be doing is insulting people who don't agree with you and being generally unpleasant. Perhaps your yellow card is well earned.
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| reborn 13 Apr 15 9.30am |
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This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2015 2.54pm
Quote TheJudge at 10 Apr 2015 2.06pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2015 9.31am
Quote TheJudge at 09 Apr 2015 7.52pm
Quote legaleagle at 09 Apr 2015 7.04pm
And maybe,just maybe,it results in somewhat more black people being shot dead by police even nowadays than should be the case,or would otherwise be the case. Edited by legaleagle (09 Apr 2015 7.05pm)
The number of unarmed people shot by the US police isn't known, as there is no requirement for the department to report shooting data unless a crime is committed by the police officer involved (so the 410 people shot and killed by the US police in 2012 is likely a very conservative estimate). What is telling is that there were 409 known fatal police shootings in the US in 2012, and an unknown number of incidents in which people were wounded or shots were fired. In the same period, the entire UK police force fired three times, and killed no one. What is interesting from these recent events, that have come up under racial shootings, is the number of events in which unarmed people have been shot and killed, by Police Officers. To me, this suggests poor training, in that officers are responding to threatening situations by immediately resorting to deadly force in situations which, in the UK, would result in a police officer facing a murder charge or manslaughter charge. The racism angle, which clearly is present in some of these cases, likely masks a much bigger problem of a police force that is poorly trained, ill disciplined with poor internal process and protocols of investigation that have been subverted by political expediency and justification (institutionalised racism in US society and the idea that just because someone is a criminal or been involved in a crime, then its a justified homicide). Shooting of unarmed civilians, even criminals who might look like they'd beat you in a fight, is not grounds for shooting. A good post. The US has a fairly racist population, i was quite surprised whilst out there, just how racist ordinary people were in every day life. Ok they weren't Klan racist but its a lot worse than it is here. And that was LA, one of the most racially varied cities in the US. Having spent a lot of time in the US (admittedly not for 15 years) that a yes and no imho. I think there is more of a mutal racial segregation where each racial group views the other with extreme cynicism and sweeping generalisation, which a lot of time is actually well founded. There is amongst a huge swathe of the populace a self ghetto-isation. Racism as well isn't some white on black thing exclusively - which tends to be the romantic portrayal - its across the board - the Asians I have met have pretty much all had a savage mistrust and animosity for all things black Nothing really 'racist' about them either as people, but what they viewed as a healthy 'mistrust'. On the flip side I went out with a 'mixed racial' group where we ended up in a little bar to play pool which was predominantly black faces and us white folks had everything from curious looks to downright hostility - as did the American black guys who we where with, all up to the point though that they found out I was from the UK and another of the white guys was Dutch. Then we had a great night - and even got one guy come up and admit he thought we where cops and was expecting us to be trouble or there for a reason other than get pissed up. I also got pulled and got laid that night with a girl who now in my aged mind looked like Beyoncé but was probably more Whoopi....
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Apr 15 10.53am |
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Quote The Sash at 13 Apr 2015 10.44am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2015 2.54pm
Quote TheJudge at 10 Apr 2015 2.06pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2015 9.31am
Quote TheJudge at 09 Apr 2015 7.52pm
Quote legaleagle at 09 Apr 2015 7.04pm
And maybe,just maybe,it results in somewhat more black people being shot dead by police even nowadays than should be the case,or would otherwise be the case. Edited by legaleagle (09 Apr 2015 7.05pm)
The number of unarmed people shot by the US police isn't known, as there is no requirement for the department to report shooting data unless a crime is committed by the police officer involved (so the 410 people shot and killed by the US police in 2012 is likely a very conservative estimate). What is telling is that there were 409 known fatal police shootings in the US in 2012, and an unknown number of incidents in which people were wounded or shots were fired. In the same period, the entire UK police force fired three times, and killed no one. What is interesting from these recent events, that have come up under racial shootings, is the number of events in which unarmed people have been shot and killed, by Police Officers. To me, this suggests poor training, in that officers are responding to threatening situations by immediately resorting to deadly force in situations which, in the UK, would result in a police officer facing a murder charge or manslaughter charge. The racism angle, which clearly is present in some of these cases, likely masks a much bigger problem of a police force that is poorly trained, ill disciplined with poor internal process and protocols of investigation that have been subverted by political expediency and justification (institutionalised racism in US society and the idea that just because someone is a criminal or been involved in a crime, then its a justified homicide). Shooting of unarmed civilians, even criminals who might look like they'd beat you in a fight, is not grounds for shooting. A good post. The US has a fairly racist population, i was quite surprised whilst out there, just how racist ordinary people were in every day life. Ok they weren't Klan racist but its a lot worse than it is here. And that was LA, one of the most racially varied cities in the US. Having spent a lot of time in the US (admittedly not for 15 years) that a yes and no imho. I think there is more of a mutal racial segregation where each racial group views the other with extreme cynicism and sweeping generalisation, which a lot of time is actually well founded. There is amongst a huge swathe of the populace a self ghetto-isation. Racism as well isn't some white on black thing exclusively - which tends to be the romantic portrayal - its across the board - the Asians I have met have pretty much all had a savage mistrust and animosity for all things black On the flip side I went out with a 'mixed racial' group where we ended up in a little bar which was predominantly black faces and us white folks had everything from curious looks to downright hostility - as did the black guys who we where with, all up to the point though that they found out I was from the UK and another guys was Dutch. Then we had a great night - and even got one guy come up and admit he thought we where cops and was expecting us to be trouble
Hate and prejudice is always a two way street. MLK recognised this, which is part of the whole non-violent approach - the idea that in order to truly free yourself from oppression, you have to forgive your oppressor. Just because you or your people have been oppressed doesn't justify 'reverse racism', that only results in further problems. And of course its not everyone.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 13 Apr 15 11.16am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Apr 2015 10.53am
Quote The Sash at 13 Apr 2015 10.44am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2015 2.54pm
Quote TheJudge at 10 Apr 2015 2.06pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2015 9.31am
Quote TheJudge at 09 Apr 2015 7.52pm
Quote legaleagle at 09 Apr 2015 7.04pm
And maybe,just maybe,it results in somewhat more black people being shot dead by police even nowadays than should be the case,or would otherwise be the case. Edited by legaleagle (09 Apr 2015 7.05pm)
The number of unarmed people shot by the US police isn't known, as there is no requirement for the department to report shooting data unless a crime is committed by the police officer involved (so the 410 people shot and killed by the US police in 2012 is likely a very conservative estimate). What is telling is that there were 409 known fatal police shootings in the US in 2012, and an unknown number of incidents in which people were wounded or shots were fired. In the same period, the entire UK police force fired three times, and killed no one. What is interesting from these recent events, that have come up under racial shootings, is the number of events in which unarmed people have been shot and killed, by Police Officers. To me, this suggests poor training, in that officers are responding to threatening situations by immediately resorting to deadly force in situations which, in the UK, would result in a police officer facing a murder charge or manslaughter charge. The racism angle, which clearly is present in some of these cases, likely masks a much bigger problem of a police force that is poorly trained, ill disciplined with poor internal process and protocols of investigation that have been subverted by political expediency and justification (institutionalised racism in US society and the idea that just because someone is a criminal or been involved in a crime, then its a justified homicide). Shooting of unarmed civilians, even criminals who might look like they'd beat you in a fight, is not grounds for shooting. A good post. The US has a fairly racist population, i was quite surprised whilst out there, just how racist ordinary people were in every day life. Ok they weren't Klan racist but its a lot worse than it is here. And that was LA, one of the most racially varied cities in the US. Having spent a lot of time in the US (admittedly not for 15 years) that a yes and no imho. I think there is more of a mutal racial segregation where each racial group views the other with extreme cynicism and sweeping generalisation, which a lot of time is actually well founded. There is amongst a huge swathe of the populace a self ghetto-isation. Racism as well isn't some white on black thing exclusively - which tends to be the romantic portrayal - its across the board - the Asians I have met have pretty much all had a savage mistrust and animosity for all things black On the flip side I went out with a 'mixed racial' group where we ended up in a little bar which was predominantly black faces and us white folks had everything from curious looks to downright hostility - as did the black guys who we where with, all up to the point though that they found out I was from the UK and another guys was Dutch. Then we had a great night - and even got one guy come up and admit he thought we where cops and was expecting us to be trouble
Hate and prejudice is always a two way street. MLK recognised this, which is part of the whole non-violent approach - the idea that in order to truly free yourself from oppression, you have to forgive your oppressor. Just because you or your people have been oppressed doesn't justify 'reverse racism', that only results in further problems. And of course its not everyone. Oh absolutely - I think one of the biggest differences in the UK to the US I found was that the willingness to stereotype more and not just racially either. i.e - Southerner automatically makes you inbred sh*tkicker
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Quote reborn at 13 Apr 2015 9.30am
This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really.
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