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bexleydave Barnehurst 27 Mar 15 8.46am
It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you? Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you?

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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 27 Mar 15 9.05am
Quote gambler at 26 Mar 2015 3.37pm If he was that much of a c*** that he crashed the plane deliberately, why not crash it into a city rather than an unpopulated mountain? Presumably it was dictated by the window of opportunity he found himself left with between when the other pilot went to the toilet and then tried to force entry back into the cockpit. I suppose if anything is to be taken from the situation, it's that it is better to have happened where it did rather than over a populated area where the death toll could have been unthinkably worse. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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Quote gambler at 26 Mar 2015 3.37pm

If he was that much of a c*** that he crashed the plane deliberately, why not crash it into a city rather than an unpopulated mountain?

Presumably it was dictated by the window of opportunity he found himself left with between when the other pilot went to the toilet and then tried to force entry back into the cockpit. I suppose if anything is to be taken from the situation, it's that it is better to have happened where it did rather than over a populated area where the death toll could have been unthinkably worse.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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Kermit8 Hevon 27 Mar 15 10.10am
Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you? To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am

To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 27 Mar 15 11.06am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 10.10am Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you? To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him. Killing himself may have achieved that; killing 149 innocent people as well makes him look a total c*. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ***** thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am

To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him.

Killing himself may have achieved that; killing 149 innocent people as well makes him look a total c***.

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Kermit8 Hevon 27 Mar 15 11.12am
Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 11.06am Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 10.10am Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you? To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him. Killing himself may have achieved that; killing 149 innocent people as well makes him look a total c***. The last bit being why she chucked him probably. She's well rid but he obviously wants to torture her from beyond the grave. I hope she is strong enough not to let him otherwise he has won This is like those mums and dads that kill their own kids to get back at their partners apart from the amount of deaths. He should never have been anywhere near such a responsible job in his known psychiatric state. The company/airline industry is gonna have to take some corporate blame in this. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 11.06am

Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 10.10am

Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am

To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him.

Killing himself may have achieved that; killing 149 innocent people as well makes him look a total c***.

The last bit being why she chucked him probably. She's well rid but he obviously wants to torture her from beyond the grave. I hope she is strong enough not to let him otherwise he has won

This is like those mums and dads that kill their own kids to get back at their partners apart from the amount of deaths.

He should never have been anywhere near such a responsible job in his known psychiatric state. The company/airline industry is gonna have to take some corporate blame in this.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Mar 15 11.32am
Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you? Because in your eyes they're not innocent people, they're the people that f**ked your life up, the ones that you're always having to welcome to the flight, say good bye to and generally pander to. Same as why people turn up at their place of work and shoot their collegues, to some degree, in the irrational mind of the perpetrator, they're to blame. Obviously, to a more rational mind, it looks like a bizarre and insane decision, but then deciding to ram yourself into a mountain isn't the act of a rational mind. Mental illness generally creates a distorted perception of self and external reality. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am

Because in your eyes they're not innocent people, they're the people that f**ked your life up, the ones that you're always having to welcome to the flight, say good bye to and generally pander to.

Same as why people turn up at their place of work and shoot their collegues, to some degree, in the irrational mind of the perpetrator, they're to blame. Obviously, to a more rational mind, it looks like a bizarre and insane decision, but then deciding to ram yourself into a mountain isn't the act of a rational mind.

Mental illness generally creates a distorted perception of self and external reality.

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Kermit8 Hevon 27 Mar 15 11.36am
He was probably only thinking about two people not 150. He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta. Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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He was probably only thinking about two people not 150.

He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta.

Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Mar 15 11.39am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.12am Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 11.06am Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 10.10am Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you? To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him. Killing himself may have achieved that; killing 149 innocent people as well makes him look a total c*. The last bit being why she chucked him probably. She's well rid but he obviously wants to torture her from beyond the grave. I hope she is strong enough not to let him otherwise he has won This is like those mums and dads that kill their own kids to get back at their partners apart from the amount of deaths. He should never have been anywhere near such a responsible job in his known psychiatric state. The company/airline industry is gonna have to take some corporate blame in this**. The benefit of hindsight but its rarely obvious when people are depressed, and of course most people who kill themselves aren't actually depressed anymore either, or typically portraying symptoms anyhow, they'll typically become very normal because they've taken a decision to resolve their problem etc. Also, you can't lay off every pilot, public driver etc whenever they split with their girlfriend or have family problems, or have a family member who dies - all of which can cause bouts of depression, just because one person didn't cope with it. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 27 Mar 15 11.39am

Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.12am

Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 11.06am

Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 10.10am

Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am

To make his girlfriend (ex) feel really really bad about chucking him.

Killing himself may have achieved that; killing 149 innocent people as well makes him look a total c***.

The last bit being why she chucked him probably. She's well rid but he obviously wants to torture her from beyond the grave. I hope she is strong enough not to let him otherwise he has won

This is like those mums and dads that kill their own kids to get back at their partners apart from the amount of deaths.

He should never have been anywhere near such a responsible job in his known psychiatric state. The company/airline industry is gonna have to take some corporate blame in this.

The benefit of hindsight but its rarely obvious when people are depressed, and of course most people who kill themselves aren't actually depressed anymore either, or typically portraying symptoms anyhow, they'll typically become very normal because they've taken a decision to resolve their problem etc.

Also, you can't lay off every pilot, public driver etc whenever they split with their girlfriend or have family problems, or have a family member who dies - all of which can cause bouts of depression, just because one person didn't cope with it.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Mar 15 11.49am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.36am He was probably only thinking about two people not 150. He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta. Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am) Its their job, they're paid to do it. People rationalize it in different ways. In many ways its easier in war, as a pilot, because you're just the conduit, the person who presses the button. The command makes the decision. Studies of military personel generally show a stronger sense of morality, and a close bond between them and their fellows, and that this plays a key role in the battle field and operations, because its not about you and them, its about yours and them. They are after all the people who are killing 'your people'. The army and the RAF might have a rivalry, but at the end of the day, they are their own (the armed forces). Bomber pilots in WWII suffered far lower levels of guilt at what they did, than front line soliders, because the responsibility of their actions was distanced and they never had to see what they did (which is harder to do, if you can see the person you killed). Even when you see it, its just pictures, where as the front line solider its a full experience. You don't get the smell or the sounds, which are the biggest triggers in PTSD Front line soliders experience their actions, and the actions of war first hand, up close in and its personal. Where as at 15000 ft firing dropping a bomb at a 'marked target' has little personal responsibility - if you didn't do it, someone else would. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.36am

He was probably only thinking about two people not 150.

He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta.

Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am)

Its their job, they're paid to do it. People rationalize it in different ways. In many ways its easier in war, as a pilot, because you're just the conduit, the person who presses the button. The command makes the decision.

Bomber pilots in WWII suffered far lower levels of guilt at what they did, than front line soliders, because the responsibility of their actions was distanced and they never had to see what they did (which is harder to do, if you can see the person you killed).

Even when you see it, its just pictures, where as the front line solider its a full experience. You don't get the smell or the sounds, which are the biggest triggers in PTSD

Front line soliders experience their actions, and the actions of war first hand, up close in and its personal. Where as at 15000 ft firing dropping a bomb at a 'marked target' has little personal responsibility - if you didn't do it, someone else would.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 27 Mar 15 12.31pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Mar 2015 11.49am Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.36am He was probably only thinking about two people not 150. He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta. Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am) Its their job, they're paid to do it. People rationalize it in different ways. In many ways its easier in war, as a pilot, because you're just the conduit, the person who presses the button. The command makes the decision. Studies of military personel generally show a stronger sense of morality, and a close bond between them and their fellows, and that this plays a key role in the battle field and operations, because its not about you and them, its about yours and them. They are after all the people who are killing 'your people'. The army and the RAF might have a rivalry, but at the end of the day, they are their own (the armed forces). Bomber pilots in WWII suffered far lower levels of guilt at what they did, than front line soliders, because the responsibility of their actions was distanced and they never had to see what they did (which is harder to do, if you can see the person you killed). Even when you see it, its just pictures, where as the front line solider its a full experience. You don't get the smell or the sounds, which are the biggest triggers in PTSD Front line soliders experience their actions, and the actions of war first hand, up close in and its personal. Where as at 15000 ft firing dropping a bomb at a 'marked target' has little personal responsibility - if you didn't do it, someone else would. One of my dads uncles was in bomber command during the war as a tailgunner on Lancasters (Dambuster and all that)and whilst he wasn't one for war stories I remember him telling a few (bizarrely after watching an arsehole comment by Jimmy Greaves about Germans and WW2 on St and Greavsie). He was fully aware that when they dropped a shedloads of bombs that it was nasty and horrible and indiscriminate however, he was a) more concerned at getting back alive as tailgunners had the highest mortality rate in the RAF and b)after seeing most of London blown apart in the same way by the Luftwaffe there was a sense of 'what goes around' about it. As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Mar 2015 11.49am

Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.36am

He was probably only thinking about two people not 150.

He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta.

Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am)

Studies of military personel generally show a stronger sense of morality, and a close bond between them and their fellows, and that this plays a key role in the battle field and operations, because its not about you and them, its about yours and them. They are after all the people who are killing 'your people'. The army and the RAF might have a rivalry, but at the end of the day, they are their own (the armed forces).

Bomber pilots in WWII suffered far lower levels of guilt at what they did, than front line soliders, because the responsibility of their actions was distanced and they never had to see what they did (which is harder to do, if you can see the person you killed).

Even when you see it, its just pictures, where as the front line solider its a full experience. You don't get the smell or the sounds, which are the biggest triggers in PTSD

One of my dads uncles was in bomber command during the war as a tailgunner on Lancasters (Dambuster and all that)and whilst he wasn't one for war stories I remember him telling a few (bizarrely after watching an arsehole comment by Jimmy Greaves about Germans and WW2 on St and Greavsie).

He was fully aware that when they dropped a shedloads of bombs that it was nasty and horrible and indiscriminate however, he was a) more concerned at getting back alive as tailgunners had the highest mortality rate in the RAF and b)after seeing most of London blown apart in the same way by the Luftwaffe there was a sense of 'what goes around' about it.

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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cornwalls palace Torpoint 27 Mar 15 1.11pm
..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode” .......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!
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..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”

.......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!

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Kermit8 Hevon 27 Mar 15 1.36pm
Quote cornwalls palace at 27 Mar 2015 1.11pm ..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode” Blimey. So he was a Palace fan too. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”

Blimey. So he was a Palace fan too.

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