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Quote sitdownstandup at 01 Mar 2015 8.40pm
eternal hell sounds a bit much for anyone. Churches now don't even mention it. They know that nobody wants to hear it. They'll tell you it once they've entrapped you but it will never be a part of the initial intro. sounds pretty rubbish to me. The one thing they won't acknowledge is their complete disregard for the environment which all religious people should make an effort to take care of. Most environmentalists are becoming vegan or at least cutting down on the meat they are eating as they understand there is a link between diet and the state of the environment. Its a shame that christians arent trying to do something similar. People like william booth(founder of the salvation army), ellen white (founder of the 7th day adventists) and william wilberforce (who was a christian and helped to found the rspca)acknowledged that animals should be respected and they, as christians should be prominent in setting an example of showing respect to them. This was in a time long before factory farming and before much was known about the importance of a diet free of red meat and the impact of diet on the environment. Christians may go to heaven but their disregard for the state of the environment is a shame as they should really be the ones setting an example. I think you'd like the movie 'Noah'.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Mar 15 9.20am |
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Quote sitdownstandup at 01 Mar 2015 8.40pm
eternal hell sounds a bit much for anyone. Churches now don't even mention it. They know that nobody wants to hear it. They'll tell you it once they've entrapped you but it will never be a part of the initial intro. sounds pretty rubbish to me. The one thing they won't acknowledge is their complete disregard for the environment which all religious people should make an effort to take care of. Most environmentalists are becoming vegan or at least cutting down on the meat they are eating as they understand there is a link between diet and the state of the environment. Its a shame that christians arent trying to do something similar. People like william booth(founder of the salvation army), ellen white (founder of the 7th day adventists) and william wilberforce (who was a christian and helped to found the rspca)acknowledged that animals should be respected and they, as christians should be prominent in setting an example of showing respect to them. This was in a time long before factory farming and before much was known about the importance of a diet free of red meat and the impact of diet on the environment. Christians may go to heaven but their disregard for the state of the environment is a shame as they should really be the ones setting an example. Some interesting points! You might like to see this: From the title I would think that it is a preacher proposing eternal hell for all who think differently from his particular belief system and i'm sure I could find opposing preachers who would tell him that he's headed exactly the same place for not believing in their particular belief system. A god of love who is going to send everyone to eternal hell. I think for most people that is pretty confusing. You being confused won't change a thing. If you are confused, get yourself educated so you are no longer confused. Check what the facts are about the Bible, the historical Jesus, etc. Ignorance won't help you on the day you meet your maker. I'm meeting my makers tonight, dinner with the parents. No confusion about it, any god who's reaction to not being worshiped is to condemn people to be tortured for all eternity is not a good, and just god, its an evil tyrant, and the Jesus teaches us to oppose evil. You might as well be worshipping the Khmer Rogue, Saddam Hussein or Vlad the Impailer. I'd rather be damned than subject myself to the support of tyranny. Facts of the bible, you've taken a religious message about love, peace and compassion, and turned it into one of fear, domination and control. You make Jesus sick.
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| Hoof Hearted 03 Mar 15 9.38am | |
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Quote sitdownstandup at 01 Mar 2015 8.40pm
eternal hell sounds a bit much for anyone. Churches now don't even mention it. They know that nobody wants to hear it. They'll tell you it once they've entrapped you but it will never be a part of the initial intro. sounds pretty rubbish to me. The one thing they won't acknowledge is their complete disregard for the environment which all religious people should make an effort to take care of. Most environmentalists are becoming vegan or at least cutting down on the meat they are eating as they understand there is a link between diet and the state of the environment. Its a shame that christians arent trying to do something similar. People like william booth(founder of the salvation army), ellen white (founder of the 7th day adventists) and william wilberforce (who was a christian and helped to found the rspca)acknowledged that animals should be respected and they, as christians should be prominent in setting an example of showing respect to them. This was in a time long before factory farming and before much was known about the importance of a diet free of red meat and the impact of diet on the environment. Christians may go to heaven but their disregard for the state of the environment is a shame as they should really be the ones setting an example. Some interesting points! You might like to see this: From the title I would think that it is a preacher proposing eternal hell for all who think differently from his particular belief system and i'm sure I could find opposing preachers who would tell him that he's headed exactly the same place for not believing in their particular belief system. A god of love who is going to send everyone to eternal hell. I think for most people that is pretty confusing. You being confused won't change a thing. If you are confused, get yourself educated so you are no longer confused. Check what the facts are about the Bible, the historical Jesus, etc. Ignorance won't help you on the day you meet your maker.
Reading the Bible isn't educating yourself, it's a good story with lots of action and drama, but I prefer 'Lord of the Rings' myself.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Mar 2015 9.38am
Most of us have met our biological fathers thanks. Reading the Bible isn't educating yourself, it's a good story with lots of action and drama, but I prefer 'Lord of the Rings' myself. I watched Moses on Sunday night, its one of those rare movies where the film is better than the book.
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Quote sitdownstandup at 01 Mar 2015 8.40pm
eternal hell sounds a bit much for anyone. Churches now don't even mention it. They know that nobody wants to hear it. They'll tell you it once they've entrapped you but it will never be a part of the initial intro. sounds pretty rubbish to me. The one thing they won't acknowledge is their complete disregard for the environment which all religious people should make an effort to take care of. Most environmentalists are becoming vegan or at least cutting down on the meat they are eating as they understand there is a link between diet and the state of the environment. Its a shame that christians arent trying to do something similar. People like william booth(founder of the salvation army), ellen white (founder of the 7th day adventists) and william wilberforce (who was a christian and helped to found the rspca)acknowledged that animals should be respected and they, as christians should be prominent in setting an example of showing respect to them. This was in a time long before factory farming and before much was known about the importance of a diet free of red meat and the impact of diet on the environment. Christians may go to heaven but their disregard for the state of the environment is a shame as they should really be the ones setting an example.
How on earth do you get to Christians not caring about the environment, on the spurious basis that most are meat eaters?!
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| Hambo Crawley 03 Mar 15 6.47pm |
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The bigger question for me is why anyone would use a football website to preach? Still it's done now. In for a penny... If you find the answer to a question is "Because I have faith" then the danger is you stop looking for a proper, definable answer, believe what you are told to believe and consider yourself superior to those who fail to agree. The progression (if that is indeed what it is) of human existence has in the past been helped by the kind of ordered moral system and sense of community created by organised religion, but the problem with defining a belief literally is that it becomes questionable, and at times laughable, with the passing of time. The struggle over "which thing to believe" is inherently pointless, although not confined to religion. Organised religion for me is an horrific concept, but the right of the individual to find a way of living that enables them to live a life of happiness and comfort is something worth defending. The understanding that there is no right to force that individual answer upon others would go a long way but human nature is such that even if there was no religion, we'd be killing each other of which colour of hair is right or something. In short, Jamie has destroyed everyone on this thread and not once belittled an opinion. He is my God.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Mar 2015 9.20am
Quote ParchmoreEagle at 02 Mar 2015 9.11pm
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Quote sitdownstandup at 01 Mar 2015 8.40pm
eternal hell sounds a bit much for anyone. Churches now don't even mention it. They know that nobody wants to hear it. They'll tell you it once they've entrapped you but it will never be a part of the initial intro. sounds pretty rubbish to me. The one thing they won't acknowledge is their complete disregard for the environment which all religious people should make an effort to take care of. Most environmentalists are becoming vegan or at least cutting down on the meat they are eating as they understand there is a link between diet and the state of the environment. Its a shame that christians arent trying to do something similar. People like william booth(founder of the salvation army), ellen white (founder of the 7th day adventists) and william wilberforce (who was a christian and helped to found the rspca)acknowledged that animals should be respected and they, as christians should be prominent in setting an example of showing respect to them. This was in a time long before factory farming and before much was known about the importance of a diet free of red meat and the impact of diet on the environment. Christians may go to heaven but their disregard for the state of the environment is a shame as they should really be the ones setting an example. Some interesting points! You might like to see this: From the title I would think that it is a preacher proposing eternal hell for all who think differently from his particular belief system and i'm sure I could find opposing preachers who would tell him that he's headed exactly the same place for not believing in their particular belief system. A god of love who is going to send everyone to eternal hell. I think for most people that is pretty confusing. You being confused won't change a thing. If you are confused, get yourself educated so you are no longer confused. Check what the facts are about the Bible, the historical Jesus, etc. Ignorance won't help you on the day you meet your maker. I'm meeting my makers tonight, dinner with the parents. No confusion about it, any god who's reaction to not being worshiped is to condemn people to be tortured for all eternity is not a good, and just god, its an evil tyrant, and the Jesus teaches us to oppose evil. You might as well be worshipping the Khmer Rogue, Saddam Hussein or Vlad the Impailer. I'd rather be damned than subject myself to the support of tyranny. Facts of the bible, you've taken a religious message about love, peace and compassion, and turned it into one of fear, domination and control. You make Jesus sick. Amen to that. And I'm a Christian...
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Mar 15 7.31pm |
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On the subject of religion and taking texts at face value...from a twitter link On her radio show, Dr. Laura said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Schlesinger, written by a US man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as quite informative: Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your adoring fan, James M. Kauffman,
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sitdownstandup  03 Mar 15 8.35pm |
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Quote reborn at 03 Mar 2015 5.29pm
Quote sitdownstandup at 01 Mar 2015 8.40pm
eternal hell sounds a bit much for anyone. Churches now don't even mention it. They know that nobody wants to hear it. They'll tell you it once they've entrapped you but it will never be a part of the initial intro. sounds pretty rubbish to me. The one thing they won't acknowledge is their complete disregard for the environment which all religious people should make an effort to take care of. Most environmentalists are becoming vegan or at least cutting down on the meat they are eating as they understand there is a link between diet and the state of the environment. Its a shame that christians arent trying to do something similar. People like william booth(founder of the salvation army), ellen white (founder of the 7th day adventists) and william wilberforce (who was a christian and helped to found the rspca)acknowledged that animals should be respected and they, as christians should be prominent in setting an example of showing respect to them. This was in a time long before factory farming and before much was known about the importance of a diet free of red meat and the impact of diet on the environment. Christians may go to heaven but their disregard for the state of the environment is a shame as they should really be the ones setting an example.
How on earth do you get to Christians not caring about the environment, on the spurious basis that most are meat eaters?!
i'm going on about the fact that christians unlike environmentalists, who don't generally label themselves as Christians, are doing more for the environment than those that are supposed to be the stewards of the earth. The minimum of knowledge is the reason why many environmentalists are foresaking meat. If Christians want to take care of the environment (Most don't seem to be too concerned about it although i realise there are christian organisations who are making an effort to make people more aware) then maybe they need to acknowledge the connection between diet and its effects on the environment.
Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping. Hubert Reeves |
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ParchmoreEagle  Belair 03 Mar 15 10.18pm |
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Quote sitdownstandup at 03 Mar 2015 8.35pm
Quote reborn at 03 Mar 2015 5.29pm
Quote sitdownstandup at 01 Mar 2015 8.40pm
eternal hell sounds a bit much for anyone. Churches now don't even mention it. They know that nobody wants to hear it. They'll tell you it once they've entrapped you but it will never be a part of the initial intro. sounds pretty rubbish to me. The one thing they won't acknowledge is their complete disregard for the environment which all religious people should make an effort to take care of. Most environmentalists are becoming vegan or at least cutting down on the meat they are eating as they understand there is a link between diet and the state of the environment. Its a shame that christians arent trying to do something similar. People like william booth(founder of the salvation army), ellen white (founder of the 7th day adventists) and william wilberforce (who was a christian and helped to found the rspca)acknowledged that animals should be respected and they, as christians should be prominent in setting an example of showing respect to them. This was in a time long before factory farming and before much was known about the importance of a diet free of red meat and the impact of diet on the environment. Christians may go to heaven but their disregard for the state of the environment is a shame as they should really be the ones setting an example.
How on earth do you get to Christians not caring about the environment, on the spurious basis that most are meat eaters?!
i'm going on about the fact that christians unlike environmentalists, who don't generally label themselves as Christians, are doing more for the environment than those that are supposed to be the stewards of the earth. The minimum of knowledge is the reason why many environmentalists are foresaking meat. If Christians want to take care of the environment (Most don't seem to be too concerned about it although i realise there are christian organisations who are making an effort to make people more aware) then maybe they need to acknowledge the connection between diet and its effects on the environment.
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| reborn 04 Mar 15 10.05am |
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Quote Hambo at 03 Mar 2015 6.47pm
The bigger question for me is why anyone would use a football website to preach? Still it's done now. In for a penny... If you find the answer to a question is "Because I have faith" then the danger is you stop looking for a proper, definable answer, believe what you are told to believe and consider yourself superior to those who fail to agree. The progression (if that is indeed what it is) of human existence has in the past been helped by the kind of ordered moral system and sense of community created by organised religion, but the problem with defining a belief literally is that it becomes questionable, and at times laughable, with the passing of time. The struggle over "which thing to believe" is inherently pointless, although not confined to religion. Organised religion for me is an horrific concept, but the right of the individual to find a way of living that enables them to live a life of happiness and comfort is something worth defending. The understanding that there is no right to force that individual answer upon others would go a long way but human nature is such that even if there was no religion, we'd be killing each other of which colour of hair is right or something. In short, Jamie has destroyed everyone on this thread and not once belittled an opinion. He is my God. I think what you will fine is believers reacting/defending themselves against the bile and insults that pour our way. I have yet to see a Christian start a faith based thread on this site, plenty of people who aren't do though.
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| lankygit Lincoln 04 Mar 15 10.11am |
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Quote reborn at 04 Mar 2015 10.05am
Quote Hambo at 03 Mar 2015 6.47pm
The bigger question for me is why anyone would use a football website to preach? Still it's done now. In for a penny... If you find the answer to a question is "Because I have faith" then the danger is you stop looking for a proper, definable answer, believe what you are told to believe and consider yourself superior to those who fail to agree. The progression (if that is indeed what it is) of human existence has in the past been helped by the kind of ordered moral system and sense of community created by organised religion, but the problem with defining a belief literally is that it becomes questionable, and at times laughable, with the passing of time. The struggle over "which thing to believe" is inherently pointless, although not confined to religion. Organised religion for me is an horrific concept, but the right of the individual to find a way of living that enables them to live a life of happiness and comfort is something worth defending. The understanding that there is no right to force that individual answer upon others would go a long way but human nature is such that even if there was no religion, we'd be killing each other of which colour of hair is right or something. In short, Jamie has destroyed everyone on this thread and not once belittled an opinion. He is my God. I think what you will fine is believers reacting/defending themselves against the bile and insults that pour our way. I have yet to see a Christian start a faith based thread on this site, plenty of people who aren't do though.
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