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Russell Brand - class warrior or complete bell end
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 matt_himself  Matataland 11 Nov 14 1.50pm |
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It's the modern day socia economic practices that he is arguing against
Cowardice or reticence? All he can do is spread 'the truth' and hope that many follow. The bigger the following the brighter the future for many.
He looks like Jesus, but his choice of disciples (Wossy) leaves much to be desired. He a very naughty boy. Its ok, he'll be fixated on something else in a few years. The picture of him on the Anonymous demo showing his face says it all. A well meaning prick consumed by his own ego, who without making any real engagement in a subject has catapulted his ego to the forefront. I agree except that I don't believe he is 'well meaning'. I believe he is selling a philosophy. He is packaging a vaguely leftish ideology in a nice coffee-table sized package for morons to think it is meaningful.
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| Part Time James 11 Nov 14 2.03pm |
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We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media.
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Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 2.03pm
We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Nov 14 3.15pm |
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As I said before he is Bell end in the first degree:
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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Mongo Like Clunge  Bumfuck City, Texas 11 Nov 14 3.16pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 10 Nov 2014 8.23pm
Quote Mongo Like Clunge at 10 Nov 2014 5.44pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 10.26am It's the modern day socia economic practices that he is arguing against
Cowardice or reticence?
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| Pawson Palace Croydon 11 Nov 14 3.48pm |
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Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 2.03pm
We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media. Amen to this chap. So much easier to make noise than actually do something about it.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 14 4.51pm |
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Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 2.03pm
We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media. Basically its revolutionary politics, socialism and anarchism for people who don't read and want to identify emotionally with social justice, but not actually do anything about it really. Its a bit like someone releasing a charity single to help the starving, you're not really instigating change, ending poverty, you just posturing. If this was Mark Thomas or Mark Steele, I'd take it all more seriously, because the man, even if you hate him, has put the 'hours in', rather than turned up late to the party in his Prada Che Guervera T-Shirt. Its almost as if having gotten bored of being a drug addict Brand was all about being 'the dandy', then he was the sex symbol and now he's bored of that he's become the 'revolutionary', it'll be spiritual guru next. Read Peter Kropotkin or Emma Goldman instead.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 14 4.53pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 11 Nov 2014 1.50pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2014 12.51pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Nov 2014 11.14am
Quote TUX at 10 Nov 2014 8.14pm
Quote Mongo Like Clunge at 10 Nov 2014 5.44pm
Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 10.26am
It's the modern day socia economic practices that he is arguing against
Cowardice or reticence? All he can do is spread 'the truth' and hope that many follow. The bigger the following the brighter the future for many.
He looks like Jesus, but his choice of disciples (Wossy) leaves much to be desired. He a very naughty boy. Its ok, he'll be fixated on something else in a few years. The picture of him on the Anonymous demo showing his face says it all. A well meaning prick consumed by his own ego, who without making any real engagement in a subject has catapulted his ego to the forefront. I agree except that I don't believe he is 'well meaning'. I believe he is selling a philosophy. He is packaging a vaguely leftish ideology in a nice coffee-table sized package for morons to think it is meaningful. You know its disturbing when I agree with you, and I think you're probably right, he's well meaning in his own head.
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| Part Time James 11 Nov 14 5.01pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2014 4.51pm
Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 2.03pm
We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media. Basically its revolutionary politics, socialism and anarchism for people who don't read and want to identify emotionally with social justice, but not actually do anything about it really. Its a bit like someone releasing a charity single to help the starving, you're not really instigating change, ending poverty, you just posturing. If this was Mark Thomas or Mark Steele, I'd take it all more seriously, because the man, even if you hate him, has put the 'hours in', rather than turned up late to the party in his Prada Che Guervera T-Shirt. Its almost as if having gotten bored of being a drug addict Brand was all about being 'the dandy', then he was the sex symbol and now he's bored of that he's become the 'revolutionary', it'll be spiritual guru next. Read Peter Kropotkin or Emma Goldman instead.
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| matt_himself Matataland 11 Nov 14 7.01pm |
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Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 5.01pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2014 4.51pm
Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 2.03pm
We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media. Basically its revolutionary politics, socialism and anarchism for people who don't read and want to identify emotionally with social justice, but not actually do anything about it really. Its a bit like someone releasing a charity single to help the starving, you're not really instigating change, ending poverty, you just posturing. If this was Mark Thomas or Mark Steele, I'd take it all more seriously, because the man, even if you hate him, has put the 'hours in', rather than turned up late to the party in his Prada Che Guervera T-Shirt. Its almost as if having gotten bored of being a drug addict Brand was all about being 'the dandy', then he was the sex symbol and now he's bored of that he's become the 'revolutionary', it'll be spiritual guru next. Read Peter Kropotkin or Emma Goldman instead.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 11 Nov 14 10.07pm |
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Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 2.03pm
We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media.
You don't have to be an avid HOLer to realise that me and Nick are not exactly universally respected for our views on here, so to suggest that someone we have respect for is 'saying things people want to hear' is a load of bollocks. He has actually managed to unite posters on here who are almost always at loggerheads. That in itself is impressive. I am not at all saying Brand is some sort of saviour. There are many academics and intellectuals on the left who are infinitely more detailed in their arguments against Capitalism, but to be fair to him Brand isn't claiming he is. He is one bloke with some unorthodox views who is fortunate enough to have a fairly high soapbox to shout them from. And at the very least, in raising people's awareness of genuinely brilliant grassroots movements like the E15 mums and the People's Assembly he is doing something I personally applaud.
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| matt_himself Matataland 11 Nov 14 10.18pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 11 Nov 2014 10.07pm
Quote Part Time James at 11 Nov 2014 2.03pm
We seem to live in a society now where people who go round saying things like "let's redistribute all the wealth" and "let's write off personal debt" get a big round of applause. Everyone who goes "ok, now let's look at the logistics and economics of what you are suggesting" gets called a Nazi before they've even finished talking. It's very easy to say the things people want to hear. Coming up with working solutions is what should make someone a hero. Unfortunately, from what I can gather from Brand's babblings (admittedly I haven't read his book, just chatted to folk who have) is that he isn't really putting solutions out there. He's just putting his punchable face out there instead. Maybe I'm being harsh, but perhaps it was because his 'comedy' wasn't in demand any more and he needed another way to keep himself in the media.
You don't have to be an avid HOLer to realise that me and Nick are not exactly universally respected for our views on here, so to suggest that someone we have respect for is 'saying things people want to hear' is a load of bollocks. He has actually managed to unite posters on here who are almost always at loggerheads. That in itself is impressive. I am not at all saying Brand is some sort of saviour. There are many academics and intellectuals on the left who are infinitely more detailed in their arguments against Capitalism, but to be fair to him Brand isn't claiming he is. He is one bloke with some unorthodox views who is fortunate enough to have a fairly high soapbox to shout them from. And at the very least, in raising people's awareness of genuinely brilliant grassroots movements like the E15 mums and the People's Assembly he is doing something I personally applaud. You are being sold Socilaism, nicely packaged in £24.99 bundles, that eases your middle class guilt, helps you feel superior to us 's*** munchers' and gives you something to talk about at length (see above) and noisily when he opportunity arises. Brand is no more offering 'arguments against capitalism' than I am a credible choice for the next manager of Palace, however don't let that stop you from belieiving that he will incite the masses to revolt against the system and create Jersulem on England's green and pleasant land, no more than I believe that with the right training, a decent left back and someone who knows where the f***ing net is is stopping me from leading Palace to Europa League glory.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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